Is it negligent to go to war based on five year old intelligence?

[tnitsuj]

 

[EXman]

not biting on this poll

 

[Shad0hawK]

what particular 5 year old intelligence? i am guessing intelligence that clinton and the UN had about iraq's WMD program that prompted air and missile strikes that did not destroy his wmd progam as hoped?


is it negligent to assume the WMD that was not destroyed just "went away"?

is it negligent to assume that a 7 pound block of cyanide salts that could be used for cancer research and other beneficial uses will be used for those things by a known terrorist?

is it negligent to assume that a hidden 40 acre chemical complex found scrubbed clean and deserted was really used for making aspirin?

is it negligent to assume that army generals usually oversee aspirin factories?

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
what particular 5 year old intelligence? i am guessing intelligence that clinton and the UN had about iraq's WMD program that prompted air and missile strikes that did not destroy his wmd progam as hoped?


is it negligent to assume the WMD that was not destroyed just "went away"?

is it negligent to assume that a 7 pound block of cyanide salts that could be used for cancer research and other beneficial uses will be used for those things by a known terrorist?

is it negligent to assume that a hidden 40 acre chemical complex found scrubbed clean and deserted was really used for making aspirin?

is it negligent to assume that army generals usually oversee aspirin factories?

What WMD that was not destroyed are you referring to?

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that salt found just a few days ago?

I won't comment on the complex or General statements because I don't know the details. Are you sure about that General statement? There was a lot of stories that came out of Iraq that were later debunked.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

what intel was 5 years and had not been updated?

 

[sandorski]

In retrospect, the answer would have to be "Yes".

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

what intel was 5 years and had not been updated?

Are you saying that the hundreds of times people have said that Bush used the same intel as Clinton is wrong?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
what particular 5 year old intelligence? i am guessing intelligence that clinton and the UN had about iraq's WMD program that prompted air and missile strikes that did not destroy his wmd progam as hoped?


is it negligent to assume the WMD that was not destroyed just "went away"?

is it negligent to assume that a 7 pound block of cyanide salts that could be used for cancer research and other beneficial uses will be used for those things by a known terrorist?

is it negligent to assume that a hidden 40 acre chemical complex found scrubbed clean and deserted was really used for making aspirin?

is it negligent to assume that army generals usually oversee aspirin factories?

What WMD that was not destroyed are you referring to?

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that salt found just a few days ago?

I won't comment on the complex or General statements because I don't know the details. Are you sure about that General statement? There was a lot of stories that came out of Iraq that were later debunked.

IN the first few days of the war, they army found some sort of production facility that empty, with a general at that location and it was surrounded by barbed wire and defences.....

We can only speculate on what was there...

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

what intel was 5 years and had not been updated?

Are you saying that the hundreds of times people have said that Bush used the same intel as Clinton is wrong?

Same, as in from the same agency. Same as in old data, plus new data.

I surely hope the CIA has not did not stop working on iraq intel after 1998. You seem to be making that assumption.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

what intel was 5 years and had not been updated?

Are you saying that the hundreds of times people have said that Bush used the same intel as Clinton is wrong?

That question proves you refuse to understand the issue. Nice try though.

CkG

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

what intel was 5 years and had not been updated?

Are you saying that the hundreds of times people have said that Bush used the same intel as Clinton is wrong?

That question proves you refuse to understand the issue. Nice try though.

CkG

It's a legitamate question CAD. Care to answer it charrison?

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by : charrison

IN the first few days of the war, they army found some sort of production facility that empty, with a general at that location and it was surrounded by barbed wire and defences.....

We can only speculate on what was there...

I'm sure the Telegraph.uk will have an exclusive on it soon, and you can post it for us...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You do not go to war based on intel.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

what intel was 5 years and had not been updated?

Are you saying that the hundreds of times people have said that Bush used the same intel as Clinton is wrong?

That question proves you refuse to understand the issue. Nice try though.

CkG

It's a legitamate question CAD. Care to answer it charrison?

care to look uip a couple of posts

 

[Gaard]

Sorry charrison. I see you already answered. Too many threads....can't keep up.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by : charrison

IN the first few days of the war, they army found some sort of production facility that empty, with a general at that location and it was surrounded by barbed wire and defences.....

We can only speculate on what was there...

I'm sure the Telegraph.uk will have an exclusive on it soon, and you can post it for us...

It was reported by several news sources as the war was being reported...but thanks for playing.

 

[LunarRay]

If someone asserts they acted on the same basic Intel as Clinton.. in essence, they are saying Clinton was derelict for not having acted back then. And, if stated properly and with out a continued dialog it will go by with out much challenge. But, everyone knows that Clinton had what Clinton had and The President has what he has. If these two are consistent that would not surprise me too much. If Iraq was thought to have WMD in '97 why wouldn't he have them in '03 given the absence of 'proof of destruction' or Intel to that effect. He couldn't very well destroy what he didn't have.. I could argue that line, I think.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: charrison

It was reported by several news sources as the war was being reported...but thanks for playing.

Playing? Are we playing a game mr. tabloid link guy? How about some links? Funny, I've heard no mention of anything like that even as the administration tries to explain away the whole WMD issue. Why is that? Must be the damn libs again...

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by : charrison

IN the first few days of the war, they army found some sort of production facility that empty, with a general at that location and it was surrounded by barbed wire and defences.....

We can only speculate on what was there...

I'm sure the Telegraph.uk will have an exclusive on it soon, and you can post it for us...

It was reported by several news sources as the war was being reported...but thanks for playing.

Playing? Are we playing a game mr. tabloid link guy? How about some links? Funny, I;ve heard no mention of anything like that even as the administration tries to explain away the faulty intel. Why is that? Must be the damn libs again...

I can see if i can dig up 6month old links. last time i checked the telegraph is not a tabloid....If it has become one, my mistake.

 

[Gaard]

It might not be a tabloid but you're batting 0 for 2 in linking to it's storys recently.

It's been a pleasant evening, but I'm out of here. G 'nite all.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: charrison

I can see if i can dig up 6month old links. last time i checked the telegraph is not a tabloid....If it has become one, my mistake.

So, they found an empty "production facility", as you put it. It had a general there and barbed wire right? Sounds pretty solid man...sort of like those mobile labs that turned out to just be hydrogen producers..right? Was it an empty milk production facility? How about maybe an old Willy Wonka chocolate factory that had been outsourced to India? What exactly was "produced" there?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: charrison

I can see if i can dig up 6month old links. last time i checked the telegraph is not a tabloid....If it has become one, my mistake.

So, they found an empty "production facility", as you put it. It had a general there and barbed wire right? Sounds pretty solid man...sort of like those mobile labs that turned out to just be hydrogen producers..right? Was it an empty milk production facility? How about maybe an old Willy Wonka chocolate factory that had been outsourced to India? What exactly was "produced" there?

Like i said, we can only speculate what was there.
But how often do you see milk factories with a general and barbed wire....

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Of course not! So let's nuke the White House to take out Clinton now!

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: charrison

I can see if i can dig up 6month old links. last time i checked the telegraph is not a tabloid....If it has become one, my mistake.

So, they found an empty "production facility", as you put it. It had a general there and barbed wire right? Sounds pretty solid man...sort of like those mobile labs that turned out to just be hydrogen producers..right? Was it an empty milk production facility? How about maybe an old Willy Wonka chocolate factory that had been outsourced to India? What exactly was "produced" there?

Like i said, we can only speculate what was there.
But how often do you see milk factories with a general and barbed wire....

Could be they called out the Army to put down a milk riot. Lots of hungry folks in them parts.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: charrison

I can see if i can dig up 6month old links. last time i checked the telegraph is not a tabloid....If it has become one, my mistake.

So, they found an empty "production facility", as you put it. It had a general there and barbed wire right? Sounds pretty solid man...sort of like those mobile labs that turned out to just be hydrogen producers..right? Was it an empty milk production facility? How about maybe an old Willy Wonka chocolate factory that had been outsourced to India? What exactly was "produced" there?

Like i said, we can only speculate what was there.
But how often do you see milk factories with a general and barbed wire....

Fair enough. Here's the thing though, if this was indeed a chemical weapons or other WMD production facility, or even may hve been used as such, don't you think we would hear about it? Don't you think a possible WMD production facility, albeit empty, would be something this administration would be pointing as evidence of Saddams alleged programs?