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Is it me or is this Unattended child in motor vehicle law too vague

should leaving a child unattended in a car be outlawed under all circumstances?

  • yes

  • no, it needs to be left under the discretion of the guardian

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brainhulk

brainhulk

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CALIFORNIA: SB 255
Unattended Child in Motor Vehicle Act “Kaitlyn’s L aw” California Vehicle Code Sections 15620, 15630, 156 3215620.

(a) A parent, legal guardian, or other person responsible for a child who is 6 years of age or younger may not leave that child inside a motor vehicle without being subject to the supervision of a person who is 12 years of age or older, under either of the following circumstances:
(1) Where there are conditions that present a significant risk to the child's health or safety.
(2) When the vehicle’s engine is running or the vehicle's keys are in the ignition, or both.
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I saw a child left in the back seat of a black bmw in the parking lot of the Microcenter I go to. I looked at the child and he didn't look to be in distress so instead of calling 911 I told the security guard. He said he would tell his manager and they ended up paging the guardian to get the child out.

What do you guys think? I think the law should be that a child should never be left unattended in a vehicle. This wording leaves too much at the discretion of people

Sorry about the law paste. I copy pastad from a pdf file
 
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Here use this:

CALIFORNIA: SB 255
Unattended Child in Motor Vehicle Act “Kaitlyn’s L aw” California Vehicle Code Sections 15620, 15630, 156 3215620.

(a) A parent, legal guardian, or other person responsible for a child who is 6 years of age or younger may not leave that child inside a motor vehicle without being subject to the supervision of a person who is 12 years of age or older, under either of the following circumstances:
(1) Where there are conditions that present a significant risk to the child's health or safety.
(2) When the vehicle’s engine is running or the vehicle's keys are in the ignition, or both.
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I think it depends on age and how long.

leaving a child under 4 alone in a hot car and going into walmart? call the cops.

leaving a child alone going into pay for gas at the gas station? continue on your way.
 
I leave my kid in the car for maybe 3 minutes while I run in to pay for gas or something. But not while I just "shop".

Then again I live in the type of town where you can leave your car running until it was out of gas and it would still be sitting there.

Some moron just north of me is going to prison because she forgot her child in the car while she went to work for 9 hours. The high was like 16f that day.
 
I stayed in the car all the time as a kid when my parents were going into a store. With the keys, so I could listen to the radio. I didn't die, get kidnapped, or take the car for a joyride.
 
Too bad there is no common sense anymore, then we wouldn't need stupid laws to make people think🙄
 
Number1 said:
Why?
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Maybe I read it wrong

(1) Where there are conditions that present a significant risk to the child's health or safety.
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What I mean is I don't want some numbnuts try to claim that there was no significant risk to the child by leaving him/her in the car and get off on a loophole. Leaving young kids in the car unattended should not be allowed, period.
 
I leave my little one in the car, locked, almost everyday while I go to pick up my older one from after school. The whole time I can see the car from the door of the school cafe, car is parked across in the parking lot. I constantly worry about someday some stupid cop or a low life school security person will confront me...
 
chimaxi83 said:
If only the world was still the same.
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Show me the statistics that show that anything has changed other than the over-saturated coverage of what used to be local stories on a national level by multiple 24x7 cable news operations inducing mass hysteria in the population.
 
DesiPower said:
I leave my little one in the car, locked, almost everyday while I go to pick up my older one from after school. The whole time I can see the car from the door of the school cafe, car is parked across in the parking lot. I constantly worry about someday some stupid cop or a low life school security person will confront me...
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Meh I'm too paranoid to do that. All it takes is a second for someone to get into your car and you're left with a lifetime of regret.
 
my minions are 11 and 8, yet i still feel paranoid about leaving them in the car alone for a few minutes, even to pay for gas or something like that. not because i am worried about them, but because i am worried some other adult will call the cops on me.

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Linflas said:
Show me the statistics that show that anything has changed other than the over-saturated coverage of what used to be local stories on a national level by multiple 24x7 cable news operations inducing mass hysteria in the population.
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/this

i seem to recall reading a article that said statistically kids are safer today from being kidnapped then 20 years ago.

The problem is that when it happens (and its a purdy white blonde girl) its on the news 24/7. so people freak out.
 
dabuddha said:
You don't think a carjacker or thief can break into a car in seconds?
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where do you live with carjackers in every lot?

you're talking to a guy that leaves his truck unlocked everywhere

oh, and fun fact - it starts without a key because the steering column was put together incorrectly after a rebuild

you can't live your life worrying about everything, leave your damn kid in a locked and running car and be back in 5 like a normal person
 
dabuddha said:
You don't think a carjacker or thief can break into a car in seconds?
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Not in a elementary school parking lot, while I am looking at the car, atleast I hope not... I guess I am not that paranoid... BUT I understand your point, I don't fell totally comfortable doing it either..
 
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The only time I can really see it being OK is if you're just running in somewhere, you have the keys with you & lock the doors, and you can clearly SEE the child. Like if you're filling up your gas tank or something.

My friend just saved someone's baby in a parking lot not too long ago...saw a kid flailing around in the backseat of the car in a babyseat with no parent around. Turns out the kid (maybe 2 years old) was choking on a wad of candy and the parent had run into the post office or something to drop off a package. And of course, got yelled at by said parent for touching her car & baby 🙄 Drove away too quick to get the license plate but I think they called it in anyway...people are crazy.
 
dabuddha said:
Meh I'm too paranoid to do that. All it takes is a second for someone to get into your car and you're left with a lifetime of regret.
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like this wild ass high speed chase that went national last week?

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25326223/man-car-stolen-longmont-leads-police-i-25

The episode started at a Longmont gas station where Martha Rodriguez left her red Ford Edge running while she bought coffee.

Rodriguez went into the Bradley station at 1750 Main St. in Longmont at about 6:20 a.m., leaving her son, Allan Chavarria-Rodriguez, 4, strapped into a car seat in the sports utility vehicle.

She noticed a man inside the station eating, she later told the Longmont Times-Call.

When she walked out and saw that her Ford was gone, she knew the man had taken it, she said. She ran back in, told the clerk the vehicle was stolen, and they called police.

"It was bad," she said through a translator.
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Kaido said:
The only time I can really see it being OK is if you're just running in somewhere, you have the keys with you & lock the doors, and you can clearly SEE the child. Like if you're filling up your gas tank or something.

My friend just saved someone's baby in a parking lot not too long ago...saw a kid flailing around in the backseat of the car in a babyseat with no parent around. Turns out the kid (maybe 2 years old) was choking on a wad of candy and the parent had run into the post office or something to drop off a package. And of course, got yelled at by said parent for touching her car & baby 🙄 Drove away too quick to get the license plate but I think they called it in anyway...people crazy crazy.
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if the kid is in the backseat of the car, they still could have choked with the parents in the car. stupid reason is stupid.
 
meh.. I'd leave my kids in the car but I don't imagine I'd ever have them in the first place. People are way too paranoid. Bad stuff can happen, yes but I am not going to worry about it. I really hate all these laws that "protect people from themselves".
 
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