Is it me or is [H]ardOCP an ATI Fanboy site !!!!

[TimisoaraKill]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
This is seriously off topic but what the hey...



P.S. to TimisoaraKill...you almost had a point, but this

the nature of the human been

...well, it just ruined it.

Reread some of the posts, I personally dislike the Hocp methods as opposed to being mad at the results.

I did not want to make " a point " .
People don't usualy buy stuff because is better but they buy whatever they "like" , .... like you , you proly bought a 5900 over 9800 just because you like more Nvidia , you will as well buy the 6800 over the X800 , does not mather that X800XT is better in D3D wich is the future , no this is not important , the important thing for you are proly the next games with the Q III engine and the famous PS3.0 .
What is better does not mean that is best for everybody , for this a lot of car types and manufacturers exist , if people where not biased by nature you would have one product of stuff from each category , cars = Ford Focus or whatever , clothes = guess , and etc, etc , etc ,...so everybody is more or less biased in everything .
If Hard OCP will start next week to declare >Nvidia> is the best and the top you will automaticaly become a HOcp fan .
I still don't want to make or take a point , i just post what i think

 

[tylerhskate]

they arent they just speak their mind on the best video card out, and right now the x800xt-pe is better than the 6800ultra thats all their is to it and until nvidia comes out with cards better than theirs probably still gonna be ati "fanboys"

 

[vshah]

Originally posted by: Compddd
I don't like how loud the 6800U is either, I wish I could put a VGA Silencer 2.0 on it but it doesn't support it So it looks like X800XT with VGA Silencer 2.0 for me.

how do you know? have you heard it?

-Vivan

 

[FiberoN]

Tbh, I don't see why you would need more than an X800 Pro, it can run any game at any resolution with all details high. Although I would want to check out the 6800 when it comes out, I just don't like the power requirements and the big heatsink. Both companies make great cards. As for HardOCP, I don't know and I don't care, AnandTech gives me all my tech news.

 

[ronnn]

What I would like to know is if you keep your computter on 24/7, how much does that 20watts cost per month? Maybe this info would encourage some in our household to turn the damn thing off when they are not using it. :beer:

 

[ronnn]

Outside of power requirements, size and cost of getting it really quiet, I think the 6800 is probably going to be a better card. Problem is we are back to Rollo's Jackass versus a Mule, the difference seems to be very small - so cost and availability will likely be important also. :wine: Anyways, Hardcop rocks best reviews by far.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: ronnn
What I would like to know is if you keep your computter on 24/7, how much does that 20watts cost per month? Maybe this info would encourage some in our household to turn the damn thing off when they are not using it. :beer:

At $0.15 per kilowatt hour, 20W will cost you $2.16 per month (30 days).

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1
[At $0.15 per kilowatt hour, 20W will cost you $2.16 per month (30 days).

Thanks, :thumbsup: adds up doesn't it? Hardware cost, cable cost and power cost.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Any moron who thrives on whether or not ATIs vaporware is a little more dense than the Vapor Nvidia launched deserves that overpriced 12 pipe stop gap design they get in the X800 Pro.

I have 3 months until I build a new machine. As long as the 6800 GT is out by then I wont care.

lol.. my "12pipe stop gap card" is a damn nice card, and a helluva alot faster than whatever you have in your rig

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

To them, a card that's 10-15% slower than a X800Pro (if it is that much slower) for $100 or more less might be a big deal?

10-15% slower? Right. :roll: If someone wants a card with crap 128 mb memory and slowass 2002 clocks they can go ahead and pick up that card.

I guess this is a victory for Nvidia though. Finally after 2 years they have a card that beats the 9700 Pro!

Here's some benchmarks from some chinese site that managed to get their hands on one. That Farcry benchmark looks promising.

quit being such a tool; you're giving us ati owners a bad name...

while i doubt it will compete with an x800pro (which is in the GT class anyway), it doesn't mean it's a bad card, and it's quite likely it'll be a good avlue in the $299 price segement.

 

[Ackmed]

Heh, calling ATi's X800 Pro overpriced is ignorance at best. Insulting and calling names is a sure sign you have no argument.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Doesn't Nvidias solution throttle WAY WAY down when idle or not 3dgaming? THis should make it pretty efficient. Also Nvidia said that only a (i think) 350Watt power supply is needed.

-Kevin

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

The first thing you notice is that the settings are not the same. It's an apples to oranges comparisson.

Of course the point of their approach is to show what maximum playable settings the cards are able to deliver. In theory their approach makes A LOT of sense. It makes a lot more sense to know what the minimum frame rate in a game is rather than the average. Of course since they are the only website that uses this approach, until some other sources have something similar, it makes it very difficult to trust their benchmarks with 100% credibility. But certainly, you have to praise them for doing something different that makes a lot of sense as well (besides that stereotypical and traditional way of comparing products). Most of their reviews have been on par with the rest of the internet community where they declared 9600xt a winner over 5700Ultra, 9800Pro over 5900 and 9800xt over 5950 and x800xt over 6800Ultra. This is probably the only review where I would have to disagree with them (especially since in some of the benchmarks Nvidia was clearly in the lead to increase the resolution even more.)

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

When you benchmark a game you keep the settings the same.

That is what the traditional method of benchmarking offered. You have to realize that most people in the world do not like change. I am sure when many people tried to introduce something different and new, all the traditionalists and believers of previous theories opposed them. That is how history has alwasy shown itself. It is much easier to stay behind something that is already accepted widely by many, and deemed "proven." Yet it is a lot harder to prove something is better when it's newer and not accepted by the masses. What HardOCP is trying to do is show the playability of videogames with certain videocards, not just average or high scores attained. Again in theory, this is a great alternative to a traditional way of benchmarking. If more websites offered it, we could compared the "old" way and the "new" way to have a better assessment of playability and usability of the videocards. The problem with the traditional way of benchmarking arises when a lot of times a videocard can display the same or higher average frames per second, but it could also offer lower minimum frames, thus making the game experience much worse due to a more intense slowdown (as the difference between the highest and lowest frames would be much greater and thus more distracting during the times when the frame rates drop). Of course if more websites offered a similar approach, we would be able to truly say if HardOCP data is valid or not.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

To them, a card that's 10-15% slower than a X800Pro (if it is that much slower) for $100 or more less might be a big deal?

10-15% slower? Right. :roll: If someone wants a card with crap 128 mb memory and slowass 2002 clocks they can go ahead and pick up that card.

I guess this is a victory for Nvidia though. Finally after 2 years they have a card that beats the 9700 Pro!

Here's some benchmarks from some chinese site that managed to get their hands on one. That Farcry benchmark looks promising.

quit being such a tool; you're giving us ati owners a bad name...

while i doubt it will compete with an x800pro (which is in the GT class anyway), it doesn't mean it's a bad card, and it's quite likely it'll be a good avlue in the $299 price segement.

Wait a minute Cainam I like TOOL, isn't this dissing them?!

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Genx87
Any moron who thrives on whether or not ATIs vaporware is a little more dense than the Vapor Nvidia launched deserves that overpriced 12 pipe stop gap design they get in the X800 Pro.

I have 3 months until I build a new machine. As long as the 6800 GT is out by then I wont care.

lol.. my "12pipe stop gap card" is a damn nice card, and a helluva alot faster than whatever you have in your rig

No doubt the X800Pro is a damn fine card. I may well have bought the R300 core for the third time if they could have just made it a bit more esoteric- like a X800 MAXX.

 

[GeneralGrievous]

I'm confused, Rollo. You dislike ATI for using a new refined version of a 2 year old core yet you don't mind Nvidia using 3 year old memory chips in what you say is "new" tech?

How's Farcry on that 5800? I'm quite curious.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Doesn't Nvidias solution throttle WAY WAY down when idle or not 3dgaming? THis should make it pretty efficient. Also Nvidia said that only a (i think) 350Watt power supply is needed.

-Kevin

On idle uses approx. 20 watts more than the xt pe, but you already knew this. The 6800 ultra uses more power at idle and under load, no amount of debate can change this. If you oc the 6800, power consumption goes up very quickly.

 

[VisableAssassin]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Doesn't Nvidias solution throttle WAY WAY down when idle or not 3dgaming? THis should make it pretty efficient. Also Nvidia said that only a (i think) 350Watt power supply is needed.

-Kevin

yeah they lowered it to 350w however there is someone running around here or on another forum thats useing a 300w just fine. It all comes down to hom much juice your PSU can pump out.

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
I'm confused, Rollo. You dislike ATI for using a new refined version of a 2 year old core yet you don't mind Nvidia using 3 year old memory chips in what you say is "new" tech?

How's Farcry on that 5800? I'm quite curious.

Probably fine Id imagine...I know it runs fine on my modded 5900NU sure every once in a while i get the shadow bug...but untill crytek and nv fix it...oh well doesnt bother me much.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Wait a minute Cainam I like TOOL, isn't this dissing them?!

maybe it should be tule?

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Rollo
No doubt the X800Pro is a damn fine card. I may well have bought the R300 core for the third time if they could have just made it a bit more esoteric- like a X800 MAXX.

i acutally wasn't going to get it, but i had a chance to get one for $359 when they were first released, so i jumped on it.

i must say i'm not disappointed in the least, tho i would prefer the ability to apply true trilinear in some cases.

i will have an nv40, but $600 (escpecially compared to the performance i get with a $359 card) is simply ridiculous imo. i could certainly pay that much, but to me it just doesn't make sense. i'll prolly hold out until a GT becomes reasonable and grab one of those. gotta have both brands to "play" with

 

[nRollo]

i will have an nv40, but $600 (escpecially compared to the performance i get with a $359 card) is simply ridiculous imo. i could certainly pay that much, but to me it just doesn't make sense. i'll prolly hold out until a GT becomes reasonable and grab one of those. gotta have both brands to "play" with

Agreed on this. I won't pay price gouging prices to have something a month earlier. It's one thing to be able to afford it, another to throw away money.

I don't have anything against the X800Pro, just want to get the 6800 series this time in case DX9C offers something I'll want to have.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Rollo

Wait a minute Cainam I like TOOL, isn't this dissing them?!

maybe it should be tule?

Works for me.

 

[BrentJ]

I'm S3 biased

 

[hysperion]

i'm going to get a 6800...but I don't understand all the bickering....who cares what card people buy....I went from a 5900u to a 9800p and I honestly think I preferred the 5900u because on war3 it seemed to have deeper color...just takes some getting used to though I think...