Well i am still sticking to det 23.12 because the higher drivers i have tried, 28 xx, 29 xx, and 30 xx bring down my 3dmark score by 500 pts, expecially in the nature demo, by 10 fps consistently. As for other games, Medal of honor feels a little faster with 23.12. I probably figure that anything higher than 23.12 is aimed for geforce 4 cards. What about you other geforce 3 owners? Do u notice the same performance decrease as me?