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NL5

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false. Paying employees as a contractor when they are actually employees as defined by the state department of labor is illegal.

So, how do you know he is an actual employee when he himself stated he is a CONTRACTOR, and not an employee? Again, it all depends on what his contract says......
 

IceBergSLiM

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If you do contact/hire a lawyer the only winner in this scenario will be the lawyer. Unless you love lawyers ... go find another job and tell your boss to (fill in the blank).

Do not need a lawyer to file a civil suit for breech of contract. In my state its a simple form and like $35 dollars.

EDIT: additionally the depart of labor is a free resource that should be used over paying a lawyer.
 
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IceBergSLiM

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So, how do you know he is an actual employee when he himself stated he is a CONTRACTOR, and not an employee? Again, it all depends on what his contract says......

Thtas why I said worse case he has an easy win civil suit and best case he has additional recourse through dept. of labor.
 

Arkitech

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So, how do you know he is an actual employee when he himself stated he is a CONTRACTOR, and not an employee? Again, it all depends on what his contract says......

I don't actually have a contract, more of a verbal agreement.
 

NL5

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I don't actually have a contract, more of a verbal agreement.

FAIL. You're screwed then. Good luck trying to prove you're not a contract employee........

edit - I take that back. You may be better off NOT having a contract if you go to the Dept of Labor.
 

God Mode

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Compromise. Do you need this job or are you willing to try and fuck the boss in the ass and end up miserable in a hostile work environment?
 

BoomerD

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http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=99921,00.html

ndependent Contractor (Self-Employed) or Employee?


It is critical that business owners correctly determine whether the individuals providing services are employees or independent contractors.

Generally, you must withhold income taxes, withhold and pay Social Security and Medicare taxes, and pay unemployment tax on wages paid to an employee. You do not generally have to withhold or pay any taxes on payments to independent contractors.
Select the Scenario that Applies to You:

I am an independent contractor or in business for myself
If you are a business owner or contractor who provides services to other businesses, then you are generally considered self-employed. For more information on your tax obligations if you are self-employed (an independent contractor), see our Self-Employed Tax Center.
I hire or contract with individuals to provide services to my business
If you are a business owner hiring or contracting with other individuals to provide services, you must determine whether the individuals providing services are employees or independent contractors. Follow the rest of this page to find out more about this topic and what your responsibilities are.

Determining Whether the Individuals Providing Services are Employees or Independent Contractors

Before you can determine how to treat payments you make for services, you must first know the business relationship that exists between you and the person performing the services. The person performing the services may be -

An independent contractor
An employee (common-law employee)
A statutory employee
A statutory nonemployee

In determining whether the person providing service is an employee or an independent contractor, all information that provides evidence of the degree of control and independence must be considered.
Common Law Rules

Facts that provide evidence of the degree of control and independence fall into three categories:

Behavioral: Does the company control or have the right to control what the worker does and how the worker does his or her job?
Financial: Are the business aspects of the worker’s job controlled by the payer? (these include things like how worker is paid, whether expenses are reimbursed, who provides tools/supplies, etc.)
Type of Relationship: Are there written contracts or employee type benefits (i.e. pension plan, insurance, vacation pay, etc.)? Will the relationship continue and is the work performed a key aspect of the business?

Businesses must weigh all these factors when determining whether a worker is an employee or independent contractor. Some factors may indicate that the worker is an employee, while other factors indicate that the worker is an independent contractor. There is no “magic” or set number of factors that “makes” the worker an employee or an independent contractor, and no one factor stands alone in making this determination. Also, factors which are relevant in one situation may not be relevant in another.

The keys are to look at the entire relationship, consider the degree or extent of the right to direct and control, and finally, to document each of the factors used in coming up with the determination.
Form SS-8

If, after reviewing the three categories of evidence, it is still unclear whether a worker is an employee or an independent contractor, Form SS-8, Determination of Worker Status for Purposes of Federal Employment Taxes and Income Tax Withholding (PDF) can be filed with the IRS. The form may be filed by either the business or the worker. The IRS will review the facts and circumstances and officially determine the worker’s status.

Be aware that it can take at least six months to get a determination, but a business that continually hires the same types of workers to perform particular services may want to consider filing the Form SS-8 (PDF).
Employment Tax Obligations

Once a determination is made (whether by the business or by the IRS), the next step is filing the appropriate forms and paying the associated taxes.

Forms and associated taxes for independent contractors
Forms and associated taxes for employees

Misclassification of Employees

Consequences of Treating an Employee as an Independent Contractor
If you classify an employee as an independent contractor and you have no reasonable basis for doing so, you may be held liable for employment taxes for that worker (the relief provisions, discussed below, will not apply). See Internal Revenue Code section 3509 for more information.

Relief Provisions
If you have a reasonable basis for not treating a worker as an employee, you may be relieved from having to pay employment taxes for that worker. To get this relief, you must file all required federal information returns on a basis consistent with your treatment of the worker. You (or your predecessor) must not have treated any worker holding a substantially similar position as an employee for any periods beginning after 1977. See Publication 1976, Section 530 Employment Tax Relief Requirements (PDF) for more information.

Misclassified Workers Can File Social Security Tax Form
Workers who believe they have been improperly classified as independent contractors by an employer can use Form 8919, Uncollected Social Security and Medicare Tax on Wages to figure and report the employee’s share of uncollected Social Security and Medicare taxes due on their compensation. See the full article Misclassified Workers to File New Social Security Tax Form for more information.

http://www.ftmn.com/Employee.html
 

GoodRevrnd

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Ya what Boomer said. Many small businesses just pull this independent contractor bullshit as a tax dodge.
 

Vette73

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You can sue him in small claims court and file a compliant with what ever labor board your state has. But he can also never hire you again if he wants.
 

Doppel

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Damn, if I got docked pay for every time I didn't get something first time and right away I'd be owing my employer every month :)
 

dud

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Do not need a lawyer to file a civil suit for breech of contract. In my state its a simple form and like $35 dollars.

EDIT: additionally the depart of labor is a free resource that should be used over paying a lawyer.



This may/may not be true.


Try collecting assuming you win.

Fail ...

The only party that is guarantied to win in ANY litigation is the lawyer.