I got a 600mhz P3 based comp a few months ago for free and while it's not my main computer, with 128 megs of SD ram it never ceases to amaze me... No wonder they fell back on this design...
Is it just me or is the P3 the best thing Intel has ever done?
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RalfHutter
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SneakyStuff
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PII, i think the first core called the Klamath ? or whatever was really poor, the PIII was a good chip but even then the Athlon past it out, how pipelines did the PIII have ?
Yes it is, but my argument is the fact that with P3 came 133 mhz fsb instead of 100 fsb, also the trend started to move away from the flimsy slot socket to the PGA again which was better (but not all p3s had that) and faster clock speeds. So yes I believe the P3s were a bit better than the P2s but I didn't really care for either. Good point though.
i'd have to say the best thin intel ever made is the centrino, this processor is like a hybrid p3-p4 processor, not to mension that a large portion of their income now comes from notebooks sales. my fiance has dell d800 with a 1.7ghz centrino, and damn that battery life is really really long, and the machine is really zippy. its no wonder they are moving this cpu over to desktop in the future
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I also have to go with the Pentium M mobile processors. With the new Dothan release, it run's very close to the high end P4's and Hammers in the greatest majority of benchmarks and it uses less than half the power of either. I just wish they were making some desktop boards that would run these processors, with some kind of DC chipest like the i865 or i875 and have overclocking options. They are easy to cool too, with the low power requirements, just like the P3 Tualatins were.
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Since the Dothan is the successor to the Banias (which I have in a notebook and am very pleased with) I vote for the Dothan as the best thing Intel has ever done. The only way they can outdo that would be to put the Dothan on a mATX board with overclocking features. :Q
The P3 was a great design in terms of instruction per clock, but I would pull my hair out if I had to run a piss-ass slow p3 of any speed...Waaayy too slow and archaic for me...
I concur I think the centrino and subsequent dothan chips may be the best as they integrate what is good in both architectures.
Before all of you half wits get excited on the p3 remember how long it took you to do things. The p4 while not the best instruction to clock ratio was meant to ramp speeds up. a p4 1.5 256kb l2 cache willamette with 400fsb was not much better then a p3 of about 1.3 ghz but it was better and it got better as SSE2 become more widespread. As the p4 raised the fsb to 800fsb and allowed for massive amounts of bandwidth it is not even a comparison. Go look at tomshardware and his cpu roundup and see what that beloved tank would be getting you for performance.....
Basically the miss calculations where the fact the faster intel ramped the speeds andd subsequently reduced the die sze the heat and power became unbareable. That isn't to say those speeds will never be atained the fact is the materials needed to do this are either not economical at this time or the process has not been perfected. Remember the p4 was not suffering from heat issues until of recent and the near 3ghz barrier.
So if we go back I would think the p4 was good enough to get 3 times the power then the p3 left off with....
ultimately I think HT is one of the best things Intel has created in a single processor and the p3 didn't have that....
I sh*t canned most of those p3's long ago and replaced them with athlon xps for my CAD workstations at work. Even my P3 laptop was junk.....The P3 is the reason I went to AMD for 3 years.
I concur I think the centrino and subsequent dothan chips may be the best as they integrate what is good in both architectures.
Before all of you half wits get excited on the p3 remember how long it took you to do things. The p4 while not the best instruction to clock ratio was meant to ramp speeds up. a p4 1.5 256kb l2 cache willamette with 400fsb was not much better then a p3 of about 1.3 ghz but it was better and it got better as SSE2 become more widespread. As the p4 raised the fsb to 800fsb and allowed for massive amounts of bandwidth it is not even a comparison. Go look at tomshardware and his cpu roundup and see what that beloved tank would be getting you for performance.....
Basically the miss calculations where the fact the faster intel ramped the speeds andd subsequently reduced the die sze the heat and power became unbareable. That isn't to say those speeds will never be atained the fact is the materials needed to do this are either not economical at this time or the process has not been perfected. Remember the p4 was not suffering from heat issues until of recent and the near 3ghz barrier.
So if we go back I would think the p4 was good enough to get 3 times the power then the p3 left off with....
ultimately I think HT is one of the best things Intel has created in a single processor and the p3 didn't have that....
I sh*t canned most of those p3's long ago and replaced them with athlon xps for my CAD workstations at work. Even my P3 laptop was junk.....The P3 is the reason I went to AMD for 3 years.
the P3 wan't poorly designed with a 20 stage (now 31) pipeline so it didn't need or could have benifited from hyperthreading? besides hyperthreading slows some things down.
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The PIII can't be Intel's best CPU ever. It had a terrible selection of platforms until the i815 became available. RDRAM + PIII = stupid
Intel's best CPUs ever have been the Pentium Pro, the Celeron 300a, and Banias/Dothan(Pentium M)
Pentium Pro: This cpu did a lot of things right. It was the first p6 core cpu, it had up to 1 meg of on-die l2 cache, and it was great in dual and quad cpu setups(if you needed that sort of thing). In many ways, the subsequent Klamath-core PIIs were inferior to the Pentium Pro(slower l2-cache, inferior SMP). It wasn't until the coppermine PIIIs that Intel finally re-integrated all the advances of the PPro into their flagship cpu.
I know guys who held on to OCed Ppro machines for a long time because they couldn't get anything better from Intel in SMP setups.
Celeron 300a: A super-easy overclock that allowed a bargain-basement cpu to rival the performance of Intel's best PII processors(matching that of a 400 or 450 mhz PII, depending on the application). Some of these cpus didn't even require an increase in voltage to be OCed and could be run at 450 mhz without additional cooling. Some were run at even higher speeds(534 mhz I think?)
Banias/Dothan: Well you guys know about this one already. Viva mutant p6 core!
Intel's best CPUs ever have been the Pentium Pro, the Celeron 300a, and Banias/Dothan(Pentium M)
Pentium Pro: This cpu did a lot of things right. It was the first p6 core cpu, it had up to 1 meg of on-die l2 cache, and it was great in dual and quad cpu setups(if you needed that sort of thing). In many ways, the subsequent Klamath-core PIIs were inferior to the Pentium Pro(slower l2-cache, inferior SMP). It wasn't until the coppermine PIIIs that Intel finally re-integrated all the advances of the PPro into their flagship cpu.
I know guys who held on to OCed Ppro machines for a long time because they couldn't get anything better from Intel in SMP setups.
Celeron 300a: A super-easy overclock that allowed a bargain-basement cpu to rival the performance of Intel's best PII processors(matching that of a 400 or 450 mhz PII, depending on the application). Some of these cpus didn't even require an increase in voltage to be OCed and could be run at 450 mhz without additional cooling. Some were run at even higher speeds(534 mhz I think?)
Banias/Dothan: Well you guys know about this one already. Viva mutant p6 core!
My Celery 366A = 630mhz on a custom made (by me) water setup and a Abit BM6. I think the 366A was better than the 300A when it came out.
Hats off to the P3 team. Best CPU design till opteron. Even then still the best 32 bit FPU.
Hats off to the fab team on the P4 2.4C. Just a great overclocker for cheap.
Hats off to the Opteron team. Great CPU just keep up the pace.
Hats off to Athlon XP mobile procecssors. Surprise Overclockers.
Both make AMD and Intel great processors despite which you prefer. I personally go for who makes the best overclocker at the cheapest price when I need to upgrade.
Without Amd challenging Intel the we would be paying too much for processors. Also Intel would be a monopoly and the goveernment would mess up intel because they just dont know how to leave a good thing alone.
hats off to competition and who cares who is faster Im buying the slower one and overclocking it anyway. but it makes for great pricing and all us gamers win in the end.
Hats off to the fab team on the P4 2.4C. Just a great overclocker for cheap.
Hats off to the Opteron team. Great CPU just keep up the pace.
Hats off to Athlon XP mobile procecssors. Surprise Overclockers.
Both make AMD and Intel great processors despite which you prefer. I personally go for who makes the best overclocker at the cheapest price when I need to upgrade.
Without Amd challenging Intel the we would be paying too much for processors. Also Intel would be a monopoly and the goveernment would mess up intel because they just dont know how to leave a good thing alone.
hats off to competition and who cares who is faster Im buying the slower one and overclocking it anyway. but it makes for great pricing and all us gamers win in the end.
a duron or athlon is superior to p3 in terms of memory performance
a p4 is a souped up Pentium processor with low performance
thats why athlon 1.33ghz,p3 1.33ghz gives the same benchmark as p4 2ghz
a p4 is a souped up Pentium processor with low performance
thats why athlon 1.33ghz,p3 1.33ghz gives the same benchmark as p4 2ghz
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