Is it irritating to you that web devs still forget about Firefox?

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busydude

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Texashiker said:
Are you forgetting about the past 10 - 15 years that have been dominated by microsoft products? In the 1990s, there was nothing but microsoft in the college I went to.
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Then you went to a shitty college.

We have *NIX/mac/WIN labs here.
 
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dighn

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no. any site that doesn't handle FF by now probably isn't really worth visiting anyway. I mean seriously I haven't see any one of these except for some chinese sites (IE still has >90% share in China for some reason)
 
sao123

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we are the borg, resistance is futile...
we will replace your inferior browser with our own.
we will become one monopoly.
 
ultimatebob

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It's becoming almost impossible to support Firefox now that they release a new version every six weeks, and every new version seems to break a plug-in we're using for development/testing or kiosk mode. We're starting to switch over to recommending Chrome usage now, just because it seems to be more stable and more popular at the moment.

We also ran into some big website incompatibilities with a few releases, like our JavaScript based logon page suddenly not working with Firefox 5. At least Internet Explorer has a Compatibility Mode option that you can use to get around issues like that while our development team is trying to fix them.
 
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Texashiker

Texashiker

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busydude said:
Yes, I see those old Apple G3s and Sun Sparc machines ready to be recycled.
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Not all colleges were lucky enough to offer those types of labs / classes over a decade ago.

The college I went to do not get a Cisco lab until around late 1999 or early 2000.

We had a couple of Novell classes, and maybe a handful of macs in the whole school.
 
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darkswordsman17

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Ichinisan said:
I used to use Firefox exclusively. Since they went into constantly-update-and-break-all-plug-ins mode, I completely stopped using it.

As many tabs as I use, I really need Chrome's separate processes anyway. Has Chrome finally implemented separate processes per tab?
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When they went to the new update release, I never have plug-ins break.

I personally prefer the new update. Who cares what number it is? So what if its 8, 9, 10 instead of 4.0.12, 4.1.0, 4.1.1? Who gives a fuck. The important part is their updates have improved.

Didn't Chrome have that from the start? I'm pretty sure Firefox is moving to that too, unless that's what you meant, in which case, I don't know but don't think they have quite yet).

Of course, the individual processes doesn't really help me any as its all labeled the same so I still can't find and just end the single tab that fubared everything and have to just nuke Chrome in general which gives me the same result. Hopefully Google and Mozilla will do something to remedy that issue otherwise I think the individual process thing is pointless.

I never really had memory issues with Firefox (that weren't caused by having a ridiculous amount of tabs/windows open for an extended period of time, or was due to plug-ins like flash that randomly fuck up on their own anyway). I've had Chrome have memory issues from just a few tabs (Head-Fi for instance, if you open more than one tab with it, Chrome just seems to want to die).
 
Ichinisan

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darkswordsman17 said:
When they went to the new update release, I never have plug-ins break.

I personally prefer the new update. Who cares what number it is? So what if its 8, 9, 10 instead of 4.0.12, 4.1.0, 4.1.1? Who gives a fuck. The important part is their updates have improved.

Didn't Chrome have that from the start? I'm pretty sure Firefox is moving to that too, unless that's what you meant, in which case, I don't know but don't think they have quite yet).

Of course, the individual processes doesn't really help me any as its all labeled the same so I still can't find and just end the single tab that fubared everything and have to just nuke Chrome in general which gives me the same result. Hopefully Google and Mozilla will do something to remedy that issue otherwise I think the individual process thing is pointless.

I never really had memory issues with Firefox (that weren't caused by having a ridiculous amount of tabs/windows open for an extended period of time, or was due to plug-ins like flash that randomly fuck up on their own anyway). I've had Chrome have memory issues from just a few tabs (Head-Fi for instance, if you open more than one tab with it, Chrome just seems to want to die).
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I don't care about the FF version number, but plug-ins are required to state what versions they work with, and FF was updating more quickly than plug-in devs could keep up with. I kept having to unpack plug-ins and edit settings so they would work with the latest FF update. Too much hassle. Maybe they changed something, but I gave up.

Last I heard, the FF team made some comments that gave the impression they were giving up on the idea of separate processes per tab.

You don't need to identify Chrome processes in the Windows task manager. The separate processes already keep one tab from crashing the others (in most cases). Also, Chrome has a built-in task manager to help you identify and close a malfunctioning tab or plug-in.

I didn't mention memory issues. On my computer at work, I often find that Firefox is using > 1GB memory, even after I close all my tabs. I was using minimal plug-ins too...I'd even disable all plug-ins. This has been a frequent and consistently re-occurring problem since before FF 1.0. I used FF as my primary browser for 6+ years...but I'm done with it...unless I hear that it's using WebKit and separate processes. No going back.
 
brianmanahan

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my company's training site breaks the freakin VERTICAL SCROLL BAR in FF. i reported it to our UI people who designed the custom theme and they said "you know that IE is the only browser you are supposed to use in our company, right?"

i was so mad i wanted to kick a puppy
 
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busydude said:
Then you went to a shitty college.

We have *NIX/mac/WIN labs here.
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Talk about Unix.
I was having trouble getting screen dumps in unix so I went into #unix and said

'Does anyone know how to do a screen dump in unix?' 5 minutes and no reply, so I modify it a bit 'Two hot girls are stripping on webcam for me, how do i take a picture to show you guys ?' 13 offers of assistance within 2 minutes. Brilliant
 
Nintendesert

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brianmanahan said:
my company's training site breaks the freakin VERTICAL SCROLL BAR in FF. i reported it to our UI people who designed the custom theme and they said "you know that IE is the only browser you are supposed to use in our company, right?"

i was so mad i wanted to kick a puppy
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dont be mad bro, ff sucks bad now. i use it almost exclusively and hate it a little more each day.
 
lxskllr

lxskllr

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I'm not sold on the separate processes scheme. Chrome has hardlocked, or crashed for me more than Firefox ever did, so the separate processes didn't do much other than clutter up the task manager.
 
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Rifter

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Ichinisan said:
I used to use Firefox exclusively. Since they went into constantly-update-and-break-all-plug-ins mode, I completely stopped using it.

As many tabs as I use, I really need Chrome's separate processes anyway. Has Chrome finally implemented separate processes per tab?
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100% this, i only use opera/chrome now.
 
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darkswordsman17

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Ichinisan said:
I don't care about the FF version number, but plug-ins are required to state what versions they work with, and FF was updating more quickly than plug-in devs could keep up with. I kept having to unpack plug-ins and edit settings so they would work with the latest FF update. Too much hassle. Maybe they changed something, but I gave up.

Last I heard, the FF team made some comments that gave the impression they were giving up on the idea of separate processes per tab.

You don't need to identify Chrome processes in the Windows task manager. The separate processes already keep one tab from crashing the others (in most cases). Also, Chrome has a built-in task manager to help you identify and close a malfunctioning tab or plug-in.

I didn't mention memory issues. On my computer at work, I often find that Firefox is using > 1GB memory, even after I close all my tabs. I was using minimal plug-ins too...I'd even disable all plug-ins. This has been a frequent and consistently re-occurring problem since before FF 1.0. I used FF as my primary browser for 6+ years...but I'm done with it...unless I hear that it's using WebKit and separate processes. No going back.
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They stopped that or made it a non-issue a long time ago (sometime during Firefox 4 IIRC).

Last thing I recall is that they were pushing that to a future release but its still on the table and is being tested.

I can't use Chrome when its locked up because of one tab, so there's no way I can use its management if its locked up. I've never had a tab lock up and not crash Chrome entirely, so none of that changes anything in my experience. Actually I have, but it was from a Flash plug-in crash and still locked up Chrome until it finally popped up asking if I wanted to stop it.

Flash crashes don't even crash Firefox for me so that's not any different (and its better on Firefox as it doesn't even lockup the rest of the browser, just a hiccup as every tab that had Flash kicks over and asks to reload since Flash crashed).

In Windows Task Manager it all shows up as chrome.exe and ending any one of them kills the entire Chrome process, so the separate processes didn't do anything that it was supposed to do.

In short, it operates exactly like Firefox did as far as crashing, only Chrome crashes much more. I rarely if ever have a Firefox crash any more, but Chrome does probably every couple of days if not more and I don't even do nearly as much on Chrome as I do on Firefox. On firefox I often have 50 tabs open, multiple video instances, interactive flash pages/games/etc, and a variety of other things. Half the time I even have a game (Borderland/Skyrim/Saints Row) running that I've Alt-Tab'ed out of. No problems. But I open 10 tabs in Chrome and it feels like I'm trying to play Crysis on a netbook (although its only Chrome that is functioning that way as the rest of the system is still responsive including Firefox). This is true even if Chrome is the only thing running and I just rebooted my computer.

I know you didn't, but separate processes doesn't seem to help Chrome at all and seems to cause memory issues. I think that is what is causing it to crash for me. More than a few tabs and it seems to start to bog down pretty bad and then starts trying to crash. This has happened for several releases of Chrome. I keep everything up to date (Chrome, Windows 7, plug-ins although the only plug-in I use with Chrome is AdBlock).
 
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