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Is it common for companies to screw employees on internal "promotions"?

SunnyD

SunnyD

Belgian Waffler
I recently interviewed for a different position in the company I'm at, along with several of my co-workers. The hiring manager did mention to several of the candidates that while he prefers to hire internally to promote growth, he is resistant to do so (or consider seriously) for several individuals for one reason:

Company policy says that if you've had a raise/review for the year, even if you get "promoted" into a position with a default starting higher pay grade, you will not get a raise to that pay grade. Not only that, but now I find out that even after the yearly review in the new position, you're not likely to get more than your standard 2% or whatever raise.

Can they seriously expect that under such restrictions any of their internal employees would go for any internal position unless the pay grade is nearly the same? The position I interviewed for was at a grade nearly double my current salary... but if I were to get it I would be screwed.

Is this common practice? Some of my co-workers said if necessary they would quit so they could be rehired at the appropriate pay grade (if that would work).

This kind of corporate behavior shocks me, and has been validated by finance.
 
In my experience, current employees are always screwed. They tend to worry more about the people coming into the company than the employees that are already there. I've seen it happen a lot at different companies. I've been trying to move to another dept. for 3 years but my boss doesn't want to lose me so I never get to move.
 
the last company i worked for hired at 10.00 an hour. new people coming in like 2 years later for the exact same position got hired at like 12.00 and hour, but the people who originally were there for 2 years still made less than the new people.

stuff like that just isn't right.

i'm glad i got out of there but my new job isn't all that great either...
 
i got the raw deal , best i can tell it was because my bosses boss (who was only in the position for 1 year at exactly the wrong time) had something against me. she blocked the deal as best i can tell. now she is gone from that position, but the HR/IT job structure is being totally redone where hard work no longer counts towards promotions, so i am screwed. 3 years of 50-70 hour weeks with no comp time down the crapper. yippy.
 
this is why you get a unionized or civil service job, with set pay schedules for positions.
Every job is classified into a pay scale (1-14) and you are paid according to your pay scale and step (years of service).
 
While this does happen, your example does not make much sense. You expect me to believe me that if you had gotten the new position, which is DOUBLE your salary, there would be no adjustment made? That is too blatant for any company to get away with.
 
That does not supprise me to a certian extent but if an employer thinks they really need to keep you, your pay will show it.

At the university where I work and am a student I make $.25 less than a guy I work with who is full time and has worked here for 5 years. I have only worked there for about 6 months, and got my raise after 3 months when I told the boss that I was going to leave because the pay was not high enough.

We will go out and work together and I work about 50% faster than he does... If your boss needs you or just thinks he needs you your pay will show it.
 
About the quitting and rehiring thing... I think most companies have a policy that prevents past employees from being rehired until at least a year has passed. Some companies refuse to rehire past employees at all.
 
The place I work at had an opening for a salaried manager, as opposed to the 2-dozen or so hourly low-level managers we have. There were at least a dozen qualified applicants in the company already, all with 5+ years of experience, and they instead chose to hire someone from outside the company, who had less than a year's experience as a manager at any company, and no knowledge of the working structure of this company.

Sure enough, within 4 months he had taken about a month's worth of vacation time, and had suddenly decided he wanted to move to Texas, and simply up and left.
 
Our company doesn't do anything like that. As an internal, you can negotiate salary as though you were an external. If you are in a position, that position has a pay grade and you WILL be in that pay grade, no matter what. If you change positions, you WILL be in the pay grade for the position you hold, no matter what. Otherwise you've got internal equity issues, which leads to high employee turnover. The comp department runs that in our company, and you can always request a review from comp.
 
Originally posted by: sygyzy
While this does happen, your example does not make much sense. You expect me to believe me that if you had gotten the new position, which is DOUBLE your salary, there would be no adjustment made? That is too blatant for any company to get away with.
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Actually after I thought about it, starting salary for this position is 33% higher than what I make now, since my yearly review went through today, and my boss faught hard just to get my salary adjusted to what the current new hires are making for our position (helpdesk). It was an uphill fight for him to get anything more than the normal 2%.

But yes... this is exactly what I have been told. Anyone moving laterally into a position like from helpdesk to desktop, or sysadmin, or whatever should not expect any sort of compensation.

I have yet to see how this pans out anyway, as I'm now told that that entire department is in upheaval and noone knows what is going on.
 
Originally posted by: FoBoT
i got the raw deal , best i can tell it was because my bosses boss (who was only in the position for 1 year at exactly the wrong time) had something against me. she blocked the deal as best i can tell. now she is gone from that position, but the HR/IT job structure is being totally redone where hard work no longer counts towards promotions, so i am screwed. 3 years of 50-70 hour weeks with no comp time down the crapper. yippy.
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Burn the place down.
 
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: FoBoT
i got the raw deal , best i can tell it was because my bosses boss (who was only in the position for 1 year at exactly the wrong time) had something against me. she blocked the deal as best i can tell. now she is gone from that position, but the HR/IT job structure is being totally redone where hard work no longer counts towards promotions, so i am screwed. 3 years of 50-70 hour weeks with no comp time down the crapper. yippy.
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Burn the place down.
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Right after you liberate your stapler.
 
The biggest raises come from leaving a company to go work for another.

In general companies love to keep raises to around 2-3% a year to cover "cost of living increases". The problem is in some fields 2-3% a year increase is far below the increase in base pay of new hires. Also local cost of living increases sometimes exceeds the humble 3%.
Having a housing market that has increased in cost of about 30% a year for the last 3 years does not help.

Case in point...at the previous place I worked at there was a guy who did the same job as I for the company for ten years while I was a new hire. His salary was 33% lower than mine. Within the year he left the company for a new job in the same area which wound up being around 42% higher than mine (which it should since he has 10 years of exp).
 
Where I work they started a "new" thing. If you change jobs and move "up" so to speak, you will not see any of the salary increase until the end of the year.

So, lets say in January I get my managers position, I get to work as a manager for a full year before they'll give me the raise that goes along with the position.

They also done away with regular, mid-year, raises... everything now happens at the end of the year. (i.e. first paycheck of the new year)

- TK
 
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