Is it better to be born into the adoption system or never to be born at all?

[SKORPI0]

I have a cousin who was adopted at birth and only found out about it when in his early 40's. I knew about it long time ago, but was not told not to tell him. It turns out his birth parents were dirt poor they couldn't take care of him. He ended being told and brought to where he came from, met his birth parents who were in their 70's by that time. So in the end he came to appreciate what was done for him. The love my grandparents showed him and my cousins (all 44 of us IIRC) was unequaled. In the end he turned up pretty good.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

I disagree. I think life is better than no life in the vast majority of situations.

How do you know what no life is like?

 

[HAL9000]

How do you know what no life is like?

I see it every day, people not existing, I see what nothing is like. It's like nothing it's neither good nor bad. Life can be good and bad. Life is generally more good than bad, and almost always better than nothing.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

I see it every day, people not existing, I see what nothing is like. It's like nothing it's neither good nor bad. Life can be good and bad. Life is generally more good than bad, and almost always better than nothing.

So...if nothing is neither good nor bad, how can you say how it's good or bad in comparison to something that is? It's like asking whether a banana is more purple than happiness.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Yet another crappy thread. *sigh*

I've been here for a short time, but seriously, you couldn't troll harder. Your hypothetical questions are unanswerable/unknowable and you keep trying to pose them as legitimate ones.

 

[HAL9000]

So...if nothing is neither good nor bad, how can you say how it's good or bad in comparison to something that is? It's like asking whether a banana is more purple than happiness.

OK let me put it mathematically for you.

If you grade life on a scale of -10 to +10 with +10 being the perfect life and -10 being the worst life imaginable, no life is 0 neither good nor bad, but my life I would grade at +7 thus it is better than no life.

 

[soulcougher73]

This question makes no sense, and im adopted lol. If you were never born how could you know if its better than adoption?

 

[HAL9000]

Yet another crappy thread. *sigh*

I've been here for a short time, but seriously, you couldn't troll harder. Your hypothetical questions are either unanswerable or unknowable and you keep trying to pose them as legitimate ones.

This isn't trolling, I'm not interested in an emotional response. Your post here was a troll post as it attempted to derail this thread.

 

[HAL9000]

This question makes no sense, and im adopted lol. If you were never born how could you know if its better than adoption?

Imagine your life erased, neither good nor bad just never happened. Removed from existence. All the good in your life you never experienced the same with the bad, assuming that your life is in someway good then that is better than nothing at all.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

This isn't trolling, I'm not interested in an emotional response. Your post here was a troll post as it attempted to derail this thread.

LMAO. Almost every thread you post is trolling, including this one. Again, your questions are unanswerable/unknowable and make no sense and yet you try to continue to pose them as legitimate ones.

You can't derail a thread with no point to begin with.

 

[SKORPI0]

How do you know what no life is like?

 

[HAL9000]

LMAO. Almost every thread you post is trolling, including this one. Again, your questions are unanswerable/unknowable and make no sense and yet you try to continue to pose them as legitimate ones.

You can't derail a thread with no point to begin with.

It has a point, you just can't see it or refuse to, because you assign no value to something doesn't mean it has no value.

Because you can't understand the question doesn't mean it makes no sense, lots of people have come into this thread, understood and answered it.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

OK let me put it mathematically for you.

If you grade life on a scale of -10 to +10 with +10 being the perfect life and -10 being the worst life imaginable, no life is 0 neither good nor bad, but my life I would grade at +7 thus it is better than no life.

Describing the worst life possible as being worse than no life at all is either very egotistical or, entirely defeatist. So, which one are you?

 

[TheVrolok]

Imagine your life erased, neither good nor bad just never happened. Removed from existence. All the good in your life you never experienced the same with the bad, assuming that your life is in someway good then that is better than nothing at all.

You cannot qualify/quantify non-life. If non-life is truly devoid of any sort of existence than I can easily say that while alive, I would prefer existence, but if I were non-extant I would, by definition not give a fuck.

 

[HAL9000]

You cannot qualify/quantify non-life. If non-life is truly devoid of any sort of existence than I can easily say that while alive, I would prefer existence, but if I were non-extant I would, by definition not give a fuck.

You wouldn't be able to comprehend giving a fuck because you wouldn't exist. What I'm saying is would you rather not have had to go through your life than if the only other option were to go through the adoption system.

What I'm saying is you have two choices, being born into the adoption system, dealing with that, and dealing with all the great things in life or opting out never seeing the great things, never seeing the bad things.

 

[HAL9000]

Describing the worst life possible as being worse than no life at all is either very egotistical or, entirely defeatist. So, which one are you?

Egotistical.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

OK let me put it mathematically for you.

If you grade life on a scale of -10 to +10 with +10 being the perfect life and -10 being the worst life imaginable, no life is 0 neither good nor bad, but my life I would grade at +7 thus it is better than no life.

On this scale no life would be something like 16i.

You know what? I actually have no life right now. No girlfriend, all my other friends are busy, and all I have to live for at the moment is study. FML.

 

[HAL9000]

On this scale no life would be something like 16i.

That's not a value between -10 and +10

 

[TheVrolok]

You wouldn't be able to comprehend giving a fuck because you wouldn't exist. What I'm saying is would you rather not have had to go through your life than if the only other option were to go through the adoption system.

Here's the problem, you are giving two "things" to choose between and one of them is literally nothing. Not just receiving nothing, but the complete void. You cannot assign a negative value to non-existence. Which is better is an absurd statement because that would imply that you could quantify these two things, and then arrange them in some order from worst to best. There is nothing better or worse than nothing, because nothing is simply nothing.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

That's not a value between -10 and +10

NO SHIT! High five for being a genius!

EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGW6yCdqS1g&t=2m20s

You are like Grif.

 

[HAL9000]

Here's the problem, you are giving two "things" to choose between and one of them is literally nothing. Not just receiving nothing, but the complete void. You cannot assign a negative value to non-existence. Which is better is an absurd statement because that would imply that you could quantify these two things, and then arrange them in some order from worst to best. There is nothing better or worse than nothing, because nothing is simply nothing.

I was under the misapprehension that the phrase "I wish I had never been born" was common place in America. My apologies.

 

[HAL9000]

NO SHIT! High five for being a genius!

Why don't you use the quote button rather than making your own quotes?

 

[TheVrolok]

I was under the misapprehension that the phrase "I wish I had never been born" was common place in America. My apologies.

Are you equating a figure of speech with the actual literal desire for non-existence? I suppose you think that "I need that like I need a hole in the head" means that whatever object is undesired is of literal equal value to the individual as a literal hole, in his literal head?

 

[HAL9000]

Are you equating a figure of speech with the actual literal desire for non-existence? I suppose you think that "I need that like I need a hole in the head" means that whatever object is undesired is of literal equal value to the individual as a literal hole, in his literal head?

Im equating a figure of speech to a definable explanation of the point I was getting at, the notion that their life is not worth living they would rather kill themselves or not have had to go through what they have gone through at all.

 

[TheVrolok]

Im equating a figure of speech to a definable explanation of the point I was getting at, the notion that their life is not worth living they would rather kill themselves or not have had to go through what they have gone through at all.

When someone says "I wish I had never been born," they are rarely speaking the word with the utmost sincerity. Now, I have no mound of data to back this up, but seeing as how frequently these words are uttered by angsty teenage girls, I'll roll with it. Now I'm still not sure what you were trying to express by using that figure of speech; are you trying to say the many Americans earnestly wish they were non-existent?