Is it a little morbid to go on African tours to see lions kill prey?

PlanetJosh

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So I'm searching Google for opinions on this and I can't really find an answer. I search on things like "Is it wrong or morbid for tourists to go to Africa to watch lions kill prey?". And different variations of the question and I still can't find an article about it. So help me out here.

Also what worries me a bit is if I can't find an answer on the net maybe it means everyone must think it's a stupid question because everyone knows that's it's not morbid. And that everyone thinks it's perfectly ok to take tours mainly to see lions killing antelope, zebras and so on.

I can imagine their justification for it is that it's nature's course and the antelope have to be eaten as part of nature's grand meaning. But if I'm one of the few asking the title question with nothing on the net to answer it so far it makes me feel like I may be a silly, squeamish, limp wristed PC weak minded ultra leftist wimp. Which I don't think I am.

I could search about television watching habits and take that route. Meaning try to find opinions about how watching National Geographic videos of lions killing prey affects viewers depending on how often it's watched and so forth. But I'm asking about seeing it in person, the live event, because it seems much more intense and life affecting than seeing on tv or YouTube. But if we have to settle for the morality of watching just videos of it then fine.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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You ever watch other people eat? Does eating meat make you uncomfortable? There are Many more important questions you should be asking yourself.
 

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Our resident hawk drops half rabbit , half mouse in our backyard all the time. No different
 

Thebobo

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Well you could watch grown men beat the shit out of each other. One is the epic struggle of life in nature which has dignity and the other is entertainment for knuckle dragging brain dead barbarians. :mad:
 
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Darwin333

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Is it less morbid than watching someone eat a steak or burger only because you didn't actually see the cow killed?
 

Red Squirrel

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TBH it would be kinda cool to see, it's nature after all. It's not as morbid as those rich people that go so they can kill an animal just to stand next to it.
 

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I used to love watching my Oscar devour goldfish as their little glittery scales filled the tank. People would come over to witness the spectacle.

I never thought of it as morbid...

Though watching a zebra get its neck snapped and its flesh devoured in a mess of blood is more then I'd want to tune into.
 

Darwin333

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I used to love watching my Oscar devour goldfish as their little glittery scales filled the tank. People would come over to witness the spectacle.

I never thought of it as morbid...

Though watching a zebra get its neck snapped and its flesh devoured in a mess of blood is more then I'd want to tune into.

Same with Boudreaux, my small alligator that I had in a fish tank.
 

PlanetJosh

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Never really thought about this comparison until a few minutes ago: If it's ok for people to take tours of lions killing animals then there should be tours of wars zones where from a reasonably safe distance people can watch humans shooting at each other. May have to be through a telescope but at least it would be live. They should be mainstream tours with ads on tv like Sandals or Viking Tours has. Not just the fringe tour groups which are operating mostly in the shadows now.

Could be in the Middle East, Philippines, Yemen or wherever. And those countries can take a cut of the tourist profits to help support their people and governments. Or you could become a news reporter and see it up closer through your job.
 
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Hugo Drax

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What about Poverty tours? a big thing with a certain demographic. Gwyneth Paltrow is a good example.

Hey look I found a poor brown kid, Got to take a picture of this before it gets away and show my facebook friends.

slum-tourism-baseco-manila-philippines-17.adapt.1900.1.jpg
 

Capt Caveman

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So I'm searching Google for opinions on this and I can't really find an answer. I search on things like "Is it wrong or morbid for tourists to go to Africa to watch lions kill prey?". And different variations of the question and I still can't find an article about it. So help me out here.

Also what worries me a bit is if I can't find an answer on the net maybe it means everyone must think it's a stupid question because everyone knows that's it's not morbid. And that everyone thinks it's perfectly ok to take tours mainly to see lions killing antelope, zebras and so on.

I can imagine their justification for it is that it's nature's course and the antelope have to be eaten as part of nature's grand meaning. But if I'm one of the few asking the title question with nothing on the net to answer it so far it makes me feel like I may be a silly, squeamish, limp wristed PC weak minded ultra leftist wimp. Which I don't think I am.

I could search about television watching habits and take that route. Meaning try to find opinions about how watching National Geographic videos of lions killing prey affects viewers depending on how often it's watched and so forth. But I'm asking about seeing it in person, the live event, because it seems much more intense and life affecting than seeing on tv or YouTube. But if we have to settle for the morality of watching just videos of it then fine.

You can't find an article b/c almost nobody actually on safari will see a lion kill prey. How close do you think prey is going to get to a safari where a lion is going to kill it? Jesus, lay off the sauce.
 

Red Squirrel

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^ you can self tour in a war zone. No one will stop you.

I imagine the military would. I doubt they just let any random person into a war zone. Need proper clearance etc. Imagine a tactical combat situation and some random tourists with their selfie sticks just walking around and pointing at random things they see that perhaps are suppose to be hidden from the enemy's vantage point. "hey cool it's a tank!"
 

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So I'm searching Google for opinions on this and I can't really find an answer. I search on things like "Is it wrong or morbid for tourists to go to Africa to watch lions kill prey?". And different variations of the question and I still can't find an article about it. So help me out here.

Also what worries me a bit is if I can't find an answer on the net maybe it means everyone must think it's a stupid question because everyone knows that's it's not morbid. And that everyone thinks it's perfectly ok to take tours mainly to see lions killing antelope, zebras and so on.

I can imagine their justification for it is that it's nature's course and the antelope have to be eaten as part of nature's grand meaning. But if I'm one of the few asking the title question with nothing on the net to answer it so far it makes me feel like I may be a silly, squeamish, limp wristed PC weak minded ultra leftist wimp. Which I don't think I am.

I could search about television watching habits and take that route. Meaning try to find opinions about how watching National Geographic videos of lions killing prey affects viewers depending on how often it's watched and so forth. But I'm asking about seeing it in person, the live event, because it seems much more intense and life affecting than seeing on tv or YouTube. But if we have to settle for the morality of watching just videos of it then fine.
Nope. It's perfectly fine to observe nature as long as you don't try to interfere with it.
 

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I imagine the military would. I doubt they just let any random person into a war zone. Need proper clearance etc. Imagine a tactical combat situation and some random tourists with their selfie sticks just walking around and pointing at random things they see that perhaps are suppose to be hidden from the enemy's vantage point. "hey cool it's a tank!"

Er...its not like the military has complete control over the area. There aren't checkpoints where the check the credentials of all the participants. "Oh you're Syrian? I'll let you in this time but you're really supposed to enter the war zone through gate C52"
 
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Er...its not like the military has complete control over the area. There aren't checkpoints where the check the credentials of all the participants. "Oh you're Syrian? I'll let you in this time but you're really supposed to enter the war zone through gate C52"
Are you saying video games don't accurately depict map and terrain restrictions vis a vis acual war? •••gasp•••
 

Muse

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Yeah, just use your imagination. I'm sure you've seen it in movies and on TV anyway. They give you probably a better view than you're going to get on a tour, anyway.
 

Darwin333

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Didn't know it was World Lion Day the day I started the thread (yesterday.)

https://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/lion-day/

Haven't had lion yet. Eaten cow, pig, chicken and so on. Have to give lion a try one of these days. If it's legal to get it.

Seeing how lions population has been declining over the last hundred years or so and there are only 20,000 left it would be a pretty shitty thing to do even if legal because it supports killing them.
 

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I imagine the military would. I doubt they just let any random person into a war zone. Need proper clearance etc. Imagine a tactical combat situation and some random tourists with their selfie sticks just walking around and pointing at random things they see that perhaps are suppose to be hidden from the enemy's vantage point. "hey cool it's a tank!"

Depends on what war and which side. If american is involved they wont let you in the theater. If you insist 70/30 70% denied and 30% look the other direction. If you enter through syria or Isis I don't think they would care, laugh at you and let you walk in. Same goes to somalia, turkey, libya and philippines. Post some pic.