There is a possibility for anything to occur. Could it be that some people can encourage events because they themselves are the lucky pick of probability? Could there be a dimensional rift thing? Where do my socks end up? I guess I'm leaning towards a dimensional rift type theory, but what do you guys think?
Is is possible that magic or psychokinetics can exist?
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The problem with it being theoretical possible (i'm assuming you're asking whether science can rule it out?) is that things such as magic/religion/psychokinetics etc. arn't in the realm of science. By definition, science is testable hypothesis. If i were to argue that I can do something with psychokinetics, there's no way to prove it. Thus it is not a testable hypothesis and science has no business with it.
Things that can't be proven just, can't be proven (either way).
Hope this helps.
Things that can't be proven just, can't be proven (either way).
Hope this helps.
would a rip in space time be able to manifest itself in said manner? or would it be more like a black hole type of situation.
actually, yes. there's a really good book called "time travel in einstein's universe" that explains it pretty well.
Magic:
Well, the big 'flaw' with the 'magic' when featured by fantasy etc. is that it is predictable in a way that makes it usable for some purposes by people skilled in the art.
Ehum! Thus magic must be governed by some 'magic law'. There are 'recipies', 'formulas', 'patterns'. That happens to make it exactly identical to applied science and technology. So of course magic exists and is all around us. It's only that we generally do not think of it as magic when we turn on the water tap, electric light, microwave oven, TV, computer, use a videocamera, fly an airplane...
I've never seen 'magic' described or defined in any way that makes it something different in its essence than applied science. Nor can I think of a way, other than that 'magic' 'laws' are the figments of someones imagination, and for great convenience, can be used with remarkably little education, training, skill, and minute investments of time and effort, while natural laws are observed in real life and usually demand a lot of effort and ingenuity to make use of.
I'm afraid it doesn't matter that the authors insist on treating applied 'magic' as if it is something different than technology, because it still isn't.
So to racap: If someone makes claims of 'magic' and claims that it is beyond science, then it is an imaginary invention by that person, and in fact doesn't actually exist, even if that person would claim so. If it seem to exist, then it's a trick and someone is cheating.
"Could it be that some people can encourage events..."
No. (Only through interacting with other persons and put oneself in the right spot to pick up opportunities.)
I would think it natural that everything is connected through other 'planes of order' than we are capable to observe. But precisely because of that it cannot be used or identified. Beyond that, I do not want to make any philosophical reasonings about our existance and the deeper nature of that, in any contexts that has began with 'magic' and 'psychokinesis'. Sorry
I do however believe that many people really experience strange things that for lack of better fall into the cathegory of paranormal, parapsychology. The experience however does not mean that the rushed and immediate interpretion is true, or that the paranormal item exists.
I myself have encountered 'ghosts' in periods since I was a child. Since about 4 years back, I encounter a 'ghost', or 'ghosts', 2-4 evenings/nights every week when I'm residing alone in a certain large building. I hear 'someone' 'walking' and 'opening' and 'closing' doors. And I see 'someone' in reflections in glass and glossy surfaces or see shadows of 'someone'. I even sometimes think I can see 'someone' at the very edge of my vision.
I'm experiencing something I cannot fully explain. Though it's likely that it has something to do with that elements of the house' structure may be moving or settling. My brain is used to interpret things as fitting into prelearned patterns and then fill in the the whole pattern before it realizes it's incomplete and checks itself. I think it's something like that going on.
Anyway, just like in the case of UFOs, just because it isn't an aeroplane, it doesn't logically follow that it is an extraterrestial spaceship full of green or grey little aliens.
In the same way, it seems farfetched to assume that I am encountering the soul of a dead person that somehow partly breaks through into time again.
I believe there were no UFO reports describing 'flying saucers' before George Adamski wrote his book? In the same way, I think ghost encounter is an explanation that suggests itself due to all the ghost stories we have been fed.
I think it's much the same with all the rest you hint at, "dimensional rifts", psychokinesis. It's the knowledge of that paranormal theory in your mind that affects how you interpret experiences which you lack explanations for.
Well, the big 'flaw' with the 'magic' when featured by fantasy etc. is that it is predictable in a way that makes it usable for some purposes by people skilled in the art.
Ehum! Thus magic must be governed by some 'magic law'. There are 'recipies', 'formulas', 'patterns'. That happens to make it exactly identical to applied science and technology. So of course magic exists and is all around us. It's only that we generally do not think of it as magic when we turn on the water tap, electric light, microwave oven, TV, computer, use a videocamera, fly an airplane...
I've never seen 'magic' described or defined in any way that makes it something different in its essence than applied science. Nor can I think of a way, other than that 'magic' 'laws' are the figments of someones imagination, and for great convenience, can be used with remarkably little education, training, skill, and minute investments of time and effort, while natural laws are observed in real life and usually demand a lot of effort and ingenuity to make use of.
I'm afraid it doesn't matter that the authors insist on treating applied 'magic' as if it is something different than technology, because it still isn't.
So to racap: If someone makes claims of 'magic' and claims that it is beyond science, then it is an imaginary invention by that person, and in fact doesn't actually exist, even if that person would claim so. If it seem to exist, then it's a trick and someone is cheating.
"Could it be that some people can encourage events..."
No. (Only through interacting with other persons and put oneself in the right spot to pick up opportunities.)
I would think it natural that everything is connected through other 'planes of order' than we are capable to observe. But precisely because of that it cannot be used or identified. Beyond that, I do not want to make any philosophical reasonings about our existance and the deeper nature of that, in any contexts that has began with 'magic' and 'psychokinesis'. Sorry
I do however believe that many people really experience strange things that for lack of better fall into the cathegory of paranormal, parapsychology. The experience however does not mean that the rushed and immediate interpretion is true, or that the paranormal item exists.
I myself have encountered 'ghosts' in periods since I was a child. Since about 4 years back, I encounter a 'ghost', or 'ghosts', 2-4 evenings/nights every week when I'm residing alone in a certain large building. I hear 'someone' 'walking' and 'opening' and 'closing' doors. And I see 'someone' in reflections in glass and glossy surfaces or see shadows of 'someone'. I even sometimes think I can see 'someone' at the very edge of my vision.
I'm experiencing something I cannot fully explain. Though it's likely that it has something to do with that elements of the house' structure may be moving or settling. My brain is used to interpret things as fitting into prelearned patterns and then fill in the the whole pattern before it realizes it's incomplete and checks itself. I think it's something like that going on.
Anyway, just like in the case of UFOs, just because it isn't an aeroplane, it doesn't logically follow that it is an extraterrestial spaceship full of green or grey little aliens.
In the same way, it seems farfetched to assume that I am encountering the soul of a dead person that somehow partly breaks through into time again.
I believe there were no UFO reports describing 'flying saucers' before George Adamski wrote his book? In the same way, I think ghost encounter is an explanation that suggests itself due to all the ghost stories we have been fed.
I think it's much the same with all the rest you hint at, "dimensional rifts", psychokinesis. It's the knowledge of that paranormal theory in your mind that affects how you interpret experiences which you lack explanations for.
Would it be possible to simulate magic? As in, could chemicals be combined that spontaneously make fire and ice? Well, fire for sure, and I think that's generally how I see magic, sometimes there's a mystical mana force, in that case, could an animal develop the biological ability to combine chemicals within itself and say breathe fire or something?
There is some insect (a bug) that synthetise some chemicals in its belly and then can combine them. The result? hot water and steam in a jet. Not too nice for the offender
As for making ice, this would be a bit more difficult. However, it is possible, and it might be possible to make water transform in something that looks like ice (but it isn't ice)
And that's the crux of the matter! When you ask if magic/psychokinetics or indeed any paranormal phenomena can exist, the answer is invariably "Yes, but we havn't worked out how to do it yet."
Magicians at the moment simply do clever things that we don't necessarily understand. A flashlight would be a magical artifact to anyone 2000 years ago. What did you have in mind for current magic?
That would be more likely.... like a skunk!!!
But seriously, if there was a mystical mana force, it would probably be easy to deplete....
There is a beetle called a bombadier beetle that has small pouches of chemicals on its legs. When attacked or disturbed it has the ability to lauch a chemical attack that results in burns and a nifty puff of steam. People used to think they were magical (WAY back in the day)
DrPizza
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To answer another part that's contained in your question, yes, there are lucky people and unlucky people.
Let's say flipping a coin and getting heads means you win.
Flipping up tails means you lose.
After 3 flips, you may have won 100% of the time, 67% of the time, 33% of the time, or 0% of the time. You could attribute this to luck.
You cannot flip heads 50% of the time with just 3 flips.
However, in the long run, after thousands, or even millions of flips, the ratio of heads to tails is going to get closer and closer to 50/50.
That does not, however, mean that after 1 million flips, you should expect to have 500,000 heads and 500,000 tails, or even within 5 or 10 of that. The odd thing is that you may end up with 499,300 heads. During the next million flips, it is fairly unlikely that you'd ever end up with more heads than tails (including the first million flips.) Of course, over time, the exact percentage will approach 50% Nonetheless, this doesn't mean you'll be fluctuating back and forth between more heads than tails and more tails than heads. On the contrary, you'll fluctuate less and less. Some people will end up with more heads than tails: winners with good luck. Others will have more tails than heads: losers/bad luck.
Let's say flipping a coin and getting heads means you win.
Flipping up tails means you lose.
After 3 flips, you may have won 100% of the time, 67% of the time, 33% of the time, or 0% of the time. You could attribute this to luck.
You cannot flip heads 50% of the time with just 3 flips.
However, in the long run, after thousands, or even millions of flips, the ratio of heads to tails is going to get closer and closer to 50/50.
That does not, however, mean that after 1 million flips, you should expect to have 500,000 heads and 500,000 tails, or even within 5 or 10 of that. The odd thing is that you may end up with 499,300 heads. During the next million flips, it is fairly unlikely that you'd ever end up with more heads than tails (including the first million flips.) Of course, over time, the exact percentage will approach 50% Nonetheless, this doesn't mean you'll be fluctuating back and forth between more heads than tails and more tails than heads. On the contrary, you'll fluctuate less and less. Some people will end up with more heads than tails: winners with good luck. Others will have more tails than heads: losers/bad luck.
Joemonkey
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I always thought if you understood the properties of your surroundings enough, you could manipulate them. Kind of the opposite of "once you have observed something you have changed the properties of it"
One day I will be able to "will" all the static electricity out of an object or simply the air itself and direct it somewhere, this would be better known as "lightning bolt! lightning bolt! lightning bolt!"
One day I will be able to "will" all the static electricity out of an object or simply the air itself and direct it somewhere, this would be better known as "lightning bolt! lightning bolt! lightning bolt!"
Advanced nanotechnology could materialize anything from anything. Rearranging the nucleus itself to change elements for instance could be possible. For example, you take lead and convert it into gold.
Magic to me would be for example just waving your hands a little(no, little implanted nanorobots in your hands that do what you want don't count) and for example hurling a fireball from out of nowhere or something.
Basically just "doing" without the means to actually do it.
Sure, flamethrowers would probably fall under the magic section a few hundred years ago, but that's still a flamethrower you're holding.
Standing bare naked, no tech and no tricks, and just shooting those flames from your hands using mana, your will, or The Force, now that would be magic to me.
An exciting proespect that would make our rather dull world more exciting, so I'd like to believe in it, though due to who I am I can't unfortunately.
Basically just "doing" without the means to actually do it.
Sure, flamethrowers would probably fall under the magic section a few hundred years ago, but that's still a flamethrower you're holding.
Standing bare naked, no tech and no tricks, and just shooting those flames from your hands using mana, your will, or The Force, now that would be magic to me.
An exciting proespect that would make our rather dull world more exciting, so I'd like to believe in it, though due to who I am I can't unfortunately.
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