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Is hurricane Katrina being used to push an agenda?

ExpertNovice

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We have seen how politically correct speech, lawsuits by HUD, threats from BATF, and individual lawsuits have been used to erode our right to free speech.

We have seen how the right to defend ourselves is being outlawed.

We have seen how owning guns is being outlawed.

We have seen how ownership of property is no longer guaranteed.

We have seen the use of international treaties (part of Alaska given back to Russia, the push for U.N. control of America, control of our Federal Parks turned over to UNESCO, etc) to usurp our constitution and the push for more control was getting greater. (I haven?t heard about this since President Clinton left office.)

All of the above are standard actions that Communist, Fascist, and similar regimes have used to take control of nations. They are all major erosions of the Constitution of the United States of America.

Now, it is claimed that President Bush should have sent in the troops in to maintain order of New Orleans. I have assumed it was rhetoric. However, since it was being stated prior to getting permission to enter there may be more nefarious motives.

Invading New Orleans, entering without permission, would be an criminal and impeachable offense so perhaps the President was being goaded in order to be impeached. After all dubya is stupid, right?

After a bit of reflection and thinkg about the erosions mentioned earlier, perhaps the purpose is to get support for the elimination of the Posse Comitatus

If done this would allow less scrupulous Presidents to invade states under ?emergency? conditions, how ever contrived, with the intent to harass, forcibly evict citizens from their property, or even to murder them. Again, this describes the actions of Communist, Fascists, and similar regimes once they have taken control.

Hopefully, most of America will wake up sooner rather than later.

One example of such use by unscrupulous Governments can be seen by the incident in Waco in 1993. The BATF may have had jurisdiction based on the suggestion of weapons but it was the DOJ that led the charge.

Then, <shudder> I find this document created in October of 2000, seven years later, by a lawyer named Trebilcock.
The Myth of Posse Comitatus

His opening paragraph:
The Posse Comitatus Act has traditionally been viewed as a major barrier to the use of U.S. military forces in planning for homeland defense. [1] In fact, many in uniform believe that the act precludes the use of U.S. military assets in domestic security operations in any but the most extraordinary situations. As is often the case, reality bears little resemblance to the myth for homeland defense planners. Through a gradual erosion of the act?s prohibitions over the past 20 years, posse comitatus today is more of a procedural formality than an actual impediment to the use of U.S. military forces in homeland defense.

Wow, simply wow. I am hoping that the restraint shown by President Bush will help to reinforce this act. It is clear that President Clinton was willing to ignore it. Think what might happen with another like President Clinton if President Bush had actually sent troops into Louisiana. Such a President could easily point to such precedence by Bill Clinton and George Bush and use it to stop "dissenters." Say, people celebrating gay pride or gun rights, depending on which group they wanted to eliminate.

FYI: I?m not saying that Trebilcock wrote his dissertation for or at the insistence of his Commander in Chief nor was such a tie researched.

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Could you provide information showing that Clinton violated the Posse Comitatus Act?

You do know that the Republicans were the folks having dissenters arrested for peaceful assembly at last year's Republican Convention?

You do know that the your statements about the National Parks being controlled by UNESCO are utter nonsense, don't you?
 
There is so much wrong with your post, I shake my head. I did want to fix at least one of the glaring inaccuracies:

Now, it is claimed that President Bush should have sent in the troops in to maintain order of New Orleans. I have assumed it was rhetoric. However, since it was being stated prior to getting permission to enter there may be more nefarious motives. nvading New Orleans, entering without permission, would be an criminal and impeachable offense so perhaps the President was being goaded in order to be impeached. After all dubya is stupid, right?

It would not have been criminal or impeachable, the president would need to invoke the Insurrection Act (10 USC § 331 et seq) which allows the president in times of unrest to command active-duty forces into states to peform law enforcment duties.

"Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State or Territory by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion."

Bill


 
You do know that the Republicans were the folks having dissenters arrested for peaceful assembly at last year's Republican Convention?
The same happened in Boston at the Democrat Convention...I was there...saw police essentially funneling people into flooded, debris covered gathering areas...surrounded by the iron wreckage of the Big Dig...those that resisted or attempted to get within earshot of the delegates were similarly taken away by the Boston police.
 
If you are wondering if Bush & Co's idealism is looking fascist, why, yes it is. Let's see, what's the latest....? Oh yeah, they want to give the armed services police powers, no photos of dead bodies (in order to control your perception of reality), and they are jamming the radio communications in N.O. from a navy ship. Other than that, everything is peachy.
Nothing to see here. Go about your daily business, and buy buy buy.
 
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