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I mean this in all seriousness . . . how many of you that "quote" or try to "live your life" by the Bible have actually read it to any significant degree?
And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
Genesis 18:20-21
So God is pissed . . . why?
"the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly" Genesis 13:13
So what exactly did they do?
Well as two visitors (angels in disguise) dine with Lot, the men of Sodom circle the house.
"Where are the men which came in to thee this night?" "bring them out to us , that we may know them."
And of course that's know them if you know what I mean.
According to the texts I'm referencing (Brush Up Your Bible; Michael Macrone) and a KJV Lot knows this so instead of sending out his guests for a frat house haze he provides his two virgin daughters. The pillow-biting mob gets mad and tries to break down his door. At which point the angels fvck 'em up. Although Abraham had previously annoyed the shyte out of God in Ch18 asking how many righteous people would justify sparing S&G; the LORD has had enough so fire/brimstone.
Well, dumb@ss wife had to look so she's turned to salt. So it's just Lot and his two virgin daughters in the mountains in a cave. Since all the eligible bachelors were BBQ they conspire to get their father drunk enough that he would have sex with his children; albeit according to the text . . . he perceived not when she lay down nor when arose Genesis 19:33,35 . . . yeah that sounds like a guy but what the hell happened in between?
Anyway the offspring became Moab and Benammi.
In summary, men-lying with men is wrong BUT God is a merciful god and did not want to punish the righteous with the wicked. But apparently the entire male population was planning a train on Lot's guests because God leveled the towns to the plains; I assume all the women and children were visiting grandma. Offering your virgin daughters to a lecherous mob is righteous? But then the righteous man, Lot, has nonconsensual sex with his virgin daughters. Well technically they violated him but would you believe that story? Consecutive nights with virgins but drunk enough not to remember.
My point . . . I think . . . is best summed by another biblical verse. But unlike some other posters I will not say "it's in the Bible just go look" Matthew 7:3-5 just go look.
I don't know the Quran, but morals based on bibilical fiat are fungible. In theory, the Covenant gave absolutes but clearly killing isn't absolutely prohibited . . . it's just a bad idea. Just like the Bible we find 'justifications' for killing every day. And we damn certainly covet our neighbor's ass, PIV@2.6, and Skyline GT. I don't question anyone's faith but we must be a nation of laws that transcend a particular set of religious beliefs b/c if not our laws will be applied arbitrarily such as in theocracies like Iran or ex-Taliban Afghanistan.
If you want a neuropsychiatric/sociobiological explanation of why homosexuality is a norm on the continum of sexual behaviors you can PM me. And I use real textbooks and 1st-tier peer-reviewed research articles that I've actually read. On a visceral level homosexuality is illogical. Fortunately, good science often illuminates when logic/reason/common sense fail us.
And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
Genesis 18:20-21
So God is pissed . . . why?
"the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly" Genesis 13:13
So what exactly did they do?
Well as two visitors (angels in disguise) dine with Lot, the men of Sodom circle the house.
"Where are the men which came in to thee this night?" "bring them out to us , that we may know them."
And of course that's know them if you know what I mean.
According to the texts I'm referencing (Brush Up Your Bible; Michael Macrone) and a KJV Lot knows this so instead of sending out his guests for a frat house haze he provides his two virgin daughters. The pillow-biting mob gets mad and tries to break down his door. At which point the angels fvck 'em up. Although Abraham had previously annoyed the shyte out of God in Ch18 asking how many righteous people would justify sparing S&G; the LORD has had enough so fire/brimstone.
Well, dumb@ss wife had to look so she's turned to salt. So it's just Lot and his two virgin daughters in the mountains in a cave. Since all the eligible bachelors were BBQ they conspire to get their father drunk enough that he would have sex with his children; albeit according to the text . . . he perceived not when she lay down nor when arose Genesis 19:33,35 . . . yeah that sounds like a guy but what the hell happened in between?
Anyway the offspring became Moab and Benammi.
In summary, men-lying with men is wrong BUT God is a merciful god and did not want to punish the righteous with the wicked. But apparently the entire male population was planning a train on Lot's guests because God leveled the towns to the plains; I assume all the women and children were visiting grandma. Offering your virgin daughters to a lecherous mob is righteous? But then the righteous man, Lot, has nonconsensual sex with his virgin daughters. Well technically they violated him but would you believe that story? Consecutive nights with virgins but drunk enough not to remember.
My point . . . I think . . . is best summed by another biblical verse. But unlike some other posters I will not say "it's in the Bible just go look" Matthew 7:3-5 just go look.
I don't know the Quran, but morals based on bibilical fiat are fungible. In theory, the Covenant gave absolutes but clearly killing isn't absolutely prohibited . . . it's just a bad idea. Just like the Bible we find 'justifications' for killing every day. And we damn certainly covet our neighbor's ass, PIV@2.6, and Skyline GT. I don't question anyone's faith but we must be a nation of laws that transcend a particular set of religious beliefs b/c if not our laws will be applied arbitrarily such as in theocracies like Iran or ex-Taliban Afghanistan.
If you want a neuropsychiatric/sociobiological explanation of why homosexuality is a norm on the continum of sexual behaviors you can PM me. And I use real textbooks and 1st-tier peer-reviewed research articles that I've actually read. On a visceral level homosexuality is illogical. Fortunately, good science often illuminates when logic/reason/common sense fail us.
