Is Homosexuality a fundamental freedom and universal human right

[5150Joker]

What personal experiences have you had regarding this point you're making? I can't say I've ever had a gay start demand anything from me.

When a single individual's right to happiness is trampled upon and they are publicly humiliated because a vocal minority is unhappy for not representing them (although she has zero obligation to do so) then it becomes a problem. Unless Canada itself specifically requires all it's athletes to fly the gay banner, the gay groups and their supporters had no right to publicly shame an athlete on her twitter page for taking a seemingly innocent picture with Putin, regardless of whether he is an asshole or not. And seriously, comparing Putin to Hitler and the holocaust? That is such a stretch that it's sad and laughable.

Russia has a population that is adverse to being openly gay and while parts of the West has the right to disagree with that stance, the most that should be done is to object to it in a political forum--not the Olympics. Expecting everyone to advance your cause or subscribe to it is unrealistic and what the gay community did to her is harassment/bullying. Normally I don't get involved in gay/lesbian discussions because it doesn't affect me but when I read about that incident, it disturbed me quite a bit, especially the hateful comments left on her twitter page. I guarantee you plenty of others on the sidelines like me were put off by the gay community and its supporters after having witnessed that public bullying of an athlete.

 

[SlickSnake]

What is the problem with homosexuality?

There are too many people here that would loved to see me banned. As such, I am going to reframe from answering your question.

It's iPod Jesus, isn't it? Being gay makes iPod Jesus cry.

Your Baptist religions sexual perversions do not dictate what the state or politicians should force other people to do that are not a part of your Bible belt cults.

What part of that do you not understand?

Your whole line of warped reasoning harkens back to the stupid Blue Laws the Baptist cults passed in many Southern states generations ago where you could buy pants, but not a belt, on Sundays, for instance. Go on, defend the Blue Laws. I dare you.

 

[mikeymikec]

When a single individual's right to happiness is chided because a vocal minority is unhappy for not representing them (although she has zero obligation to do so) then it becomes a problem.

So you think it would be cool to get your picture taken with a guy who is actively seeking to oppress minorities?

Unless Canada itself specifically requires all it's athletes to fly the gay banner, the gay groups and their supporters had no right to publicly shame an athlete on her twitter page for taking a seemingly innocent picture with Putin, regardless of whether he is an asshole or not.

People get called assholes for things like parking in disabled parking spaces, jumping queues etc. People who bring in laws to actively oppress minorities for no good reason whatsoever are on a another level entirely. Or is this a notion that you disagree with?

And seriously, comparing Putin to Hitler and the holocaust? That is such a stretch that it's sad and laughable.

Really? Read up on how oppression of the Jews and other minorities started under the Nazi regime.

The first anti-homosexual law in Russia in 2013 criminalised "distributing pro-gay propaganda amongst minors". Think about the implication that such a wording has - these people are dangerous. We have to keep them away from our children.

Jewish people were targeted in a very similar way to begin with, they were deemed guilty of undermining German culture and considered non-trustworthy, and their rights were steadily stripped away until they were carted off.

A Russian politician called for the Russian military to have the right to physically punish gay people in the streets. In most developed countries, despite there not being complete acceptance of homosexuality, such a call would have been swiftly followed by a forced resignation.

Russia has a population that is adverse to being openly gay

However, until 2013 Russia's stance on homosexuality was positively progressing. Now it is regressing. There's a reason for that, and that reason is Putin seeking to gain in public opinion.

Expecting everyone to advance your cause or subscribe to it is unrealistic and what the gay community did to her is harassment/bullying.

Expecting people not to seek or condone the oppression of minorities is actually fairly reasonable IMO. Advancing a cause is somewhat different.

 

[SlickSnake]

Not liking PDAs is different than being "homophobic". Personally, I'm not a huge fan myself of people getting physically affectionate in public, whatever their sexuality, but I don't care what consenting adults do in private.

As for the definition of "homophobic", that word gets thrown around too much these days. No one has to like homosexuality, they merely have to tolerate it, and I think the gay lobby gets that confused sometimes, like in that whole "Duck Dynasty" silliness. Who cares if a bunch of rednecks don't approve of homosexuality? Are they denying rights to gays? If not, who cares?

Duck Dynasty is a money marketing machine beaming into 10s of millions of homes per episode. And it's patriarch fundie Phil or whatever you want to call him, and his family are openly homophobic, and he even preaches about his religious intolerance and homophobia on the side, and his YouTube rants get tens of millions of views, too.

Why should gays sit down, shut up and say nothing about his openly bigoted remarks? I don't find that at all silly, and frankly I wouldn't give a shit about him or his inbreds opinions if it weren't for the fact they are on TV promoting it. That's the rub. So don't try to diminish the gay backlash as silly when he needs to keep his perverted thoughts about gay sex equalling beastiality to himself, thank you very much.

 

[SlickSnake]

No, more like gays are cry babies.

That restaurant refuses to serve us,,,, boo hoo hoo. Lets get a lawyer and sue them, boo hoo hoo.


Yes, I think the government should stay out of my life.

But I am going to give you a couple of examples:

I can not sell eggs on the side of the road without a permit.
I can not sell chicks without a permit.
I can not sell raw milk.

If an adult decides they want to drink raw milk, why does the government stop them?

But if two gay guys want to have their poo packed and have a 17 times greater chance of getting anal cancer, the government does not say a word.

Your family and wife must be so proud of you. Their little forum trolling angel.

Now admit to us all you fly the Confederate flag instead of Old Glory, because you don't like glory holes, and the South shall rise again with the help of the white supremacists and the KKK, so you can get back to your hobby of wearing sheets and burning crosses and stuff.

 

[SlickSnake]

What group has the highest rates of HIV?

What group has the highest rates of anal cancer?

We have a right to make decisions for our own health. Whether it is smoking, drinking, eating fatty food, or eating yard eggs,,, we should have that right without government interference.

How can you say the sale of raw milk should be regulated, but gay male sex should be left alone?

Which one poses the greater risk to human health, Listeria or HIV?

Are you still trolling your gay bashing boat in here, freaky dink weirdo?

http:// http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate

While this is not a recent list, 2011, it will do since it has pretty maps to keep a stoner like you happy for a while.

United States HIV is .06% of population. And guess what else. According to other websites, most of those infected now are STRAIGHT INJECTION DRUG USERS. NOT THE GAYS. But keep up the good work at gay bashing anyhow, and don't let pesky facts hold you down, bigot.

You must still be getting your old AIDS news from 1982 when you were giving glory hole sex in a stall and slipped and fell in on your head in the toilet. That sure explains a few things.

And aside from drug shooters overall now having the highest HIV rates, the straight teenagers are also seeing a spike because of all the low morals and fee sex messages star sluts like Miley Cyrus and Belieber regularly sends out in the media. So you can't even blame the gays for that, well damn!

In fact the sharp rise of HIV/AIDS and injection drug users has gotten so bad, they have needle and now even crack pipe vending machines popping up around the world.

 

[SlickSnake]

So if heterosexuals had the highest rates of STIs, Heterosexual sex should be illegal?

Obviously heterosexuals make up 80-90% of the population, depending on who you ask, so yea, he's saying straight sex should also be banned and regulated since they have the most STDs by a gigantic margin.

The CDC needs to get right on that.

And don't forget all those pesky illegal aliens he don't like, too, they got Chiagas and other illegal diseases since they are already illegal and stuff. We can't have that Tomfoolery going on in TexasHikers Hitler Utopia.

Seriously, you are not helping the Texas image one bit. Maybe a mod can give you a name change to TakeAHiker or something more fitting.

 

[Darwin333]

What group has the highest rates of HIV?

What group has the highest rates of anal cancer?

We have a right to make decisions for our own health. Whether it is smoking, drinking, eating fatty food, or eating yard eggs,,, we should have that right without government interference.

How can you say the sale of raw milk should be regulated, but gay male sex should be left alone?

Which one poses the greater risk to human health, Listeria or HIV?

So you are trying to argue that the government should not regulate either.

Besides, you can't possibly be arguing that the government should make being gay illegal or completely outlawing gay sex so what exactly are you saying the solution is?

Gays are going to have sex regardless if they can get married or not. Allowing them to get married would actually promote more monogamous relationships which would actually lower the potential spread of hiv in the gay community. Furthermore you are not considering the balance that gay women and their vastly reduced risk versus being heterosexual into your arguments. I wonder why that is? Why are you so caught up on two men "getting their poo pushed"? Personally I think you have a secret and this is the way you suppress it.

 

[Darwin333]

Uh no.

But if vaccinated children had the highest rates of infection, the government would take some kind of action. Maybe even passing laws to force parents to vaccinate their children.

Oh wait,,,,,.

See there, it is a double standard.

Gay men have the highest rates of HIV, the government does nothing.

Raw milk and unvaccinated children have a high rate of illness, and the government passes laws.

That would be because one is very easy to regulate and the other is impossible but lets play.

Exactly what law do you think the government should pass? I apologize if you have answered this already but I am not digging through 11 pages to find it.

 

[Darwin333]

I am neutral on the issue. Gay rights and gay marriage does not affect me one way or the other.

However, facts speak for themselves.

Gay men are 17 times more likely to develop anal cancer than straight men. If that was any other form of infection, the CDC and the government would freak out.

But because the infection and cancer is directly related to a lifestyle, and a choice (to have unprotected sex), the CDC and government is hands off.

If some goat farmer was selling raw milk, and people drinking it were 17 times more likely to get sick than drinking pasteurized milk, the government would shut that farmer down.

Why does one lifestyle and choice (unprotected gay sex) get a free pass, but other lifestyles do not? I am not hurting you by drinking raw milk (which I do not do), but shouldn't I have the right to do it?

What are the increased risk of cancer for smokers versus non-smokers? Yet the government has yet to make smoking illegal. They have passed regulations to ensure that it doesn't effect other people such as with 2nd hand smoke.

No need to search, I will make it easy for you. Seeing two gay men holding hands and/or kissing makes be want to throw up.

But that does not mean I want their rights taken away.

I am still betting that it causes a much different biological reaction. Or perhaps the nausea is caused by the blood flowing out of your brain so quickly?