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Is higher education over hyped?

Lyfer

Lyfer

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I know plenty of people with college degrees making less than some people WHO DON'T EVEN HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA! All through life I've been told, "GO TO COLLEGE, YOU MAKE GOOD MONEY AFTER YOU GET DEGREE". This has been come an illusion. BTW I'm almost done with my BS. What's you're take?



(BTW I'm bored)
 
look at the big picture....the ability to bounce back, or be re-trained is higher with someone who is educated.

some make it with a college degree, some don't....the odds are, you will make more $$ with a college degree.....just the same as someone who graduates high school will probably make more than someone who did not...

i would also bet the life expentancy of someone with a degree is higher than one without....
 
Well, better to have it than not to have it.

I have always wondered, are people sucessful (in money terms) due to education or rather do people with pre-existing potential just choose to become educated?

In any event, there are always exceptions to the rule. And the rule is that it is better to have gone to graduate school than to have dropped out of high school.

Jeremy806

 
Originally posted by: Lyfer
I know plenty of people with college degrees making less than some people WHO DON'T EVEN HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA! All through life I've been told, "GO TO COLLEGE, YOU MAKE GOOD MONEY AFTER YOU GET DEGREE". This has been come an illusion. BTW I'm almost done with my BS. What's you're take?



(BTW I'm bored)
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If I were to judge you by your grammar, I would guess that you never graduated from high school.

I think my statement answers your question.
 
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Originally posted by: Lyfer
I know plenty of people with college degrees making less than some people WHO DON'T EVEN HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA! All through life I've been told, "GO TO COLLEGE, YOU MAKE GOOD MONEY AFTER YOU GET DEGREE". This has been come an illusion. BTW I'm almost done with my BS. What's you're take?



(BTW I'm bored)
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If I were to judge you by your grammar, I would guess that you never graduated from high school.

I think my statement answers your question.
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Thank you for answering the question.
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I'm sure you're perfect grammar gets you layed all the time🙂.
 
I would have to say that my observation, as a 27 year old Freshman who's worked in a corporate environment since age 19 and been quite successful, is that most colleges are nothing more than money making institutions. They cater less to dead philosophers and more to dead presidents in my opinion. Everything is commercialized, it seems, in colleges across America. The professors insist that you purchase the book that they wrote and had published more to impress themselves and their bottom line than to provide a worldly education to the masses. College is portrayed as this "free, open society" but in reality it's a closely managed, well marketed money making machine built upon a bunch of monopolistic practices. Unfortunately, most jobs at the next level for me require a college degree, even though I have better than 5 years of experience in my field and am considered one of the best at my job in the corporation I work for.
 
Originally posted by: Rogue
I would have to say that my observation, as a 27 year old Freshman who's worked in a corporate environment since age 19 and been quite successful, is that most colleges are nothing more than money making institutions. They cater less to dead philosophers and more to dead presidents in my opinion. Everything is commercialized, it seems, in colleges across America. The professors insist that you purchase the book that they wrote and had published more to impress themselves and their bottom line than to provide a worldly education to the masses. College is portrayed as this "free, open society" but in reality it's a closely managed, well marketed money making machine built upon a bunch of monopolistic practices. Unfortunately, most jobs at the next level for me require a college degree, even though I have better than 5 years of experience in my field and am considered one of the best at my job in the corporation I work for.
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Insightfull.🙂
 
are you delibrately misspelling things now?

my opinion is that higher education is not necessary for success, but it's generally a good idea. there are exceptions but i doubt they're the majority.

and not everyone gets higher education for monetary success btw.
 
Originally posted by: Lyfer
Originally posted by: Rogue
I would have to say that my observation, as a 27 year old Freshman who's worked in a corporate environment since age 19 and been quite successful, is that most colleges are nothing more than money making institutions. They cater less to dead philosophers and more to dead presidents in my opinion. Everything is commercialized, it seems, in colleges across America. The professors insist that you purchase the book that they wrote and had published more to impress themselves and their bottom line than to provide a worldly education to the masses. College is portrayed as this "free, open society" but in reality it's a closely managed, well marketed money making machine built upon a bunch of monopolistic practices. Unfortunately, most jobs at the next level for me require a college degree, even though I have better than 5 years of experience in my field and am considered one of the best at my job in the corporation I work for.
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Insightfull.🙂
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Exactly what you wanted to hear.
 
Originally posted by: Rogue
I would have to say that my observation, as a 27 year old Freshman who's worked in a corporate environment since age 19 and been quite successful, is that most colleges are nothing more than money making institutions. They cater less to dead philosophers and more to dead presidents in my opinion. Everything is commercialized, it seems, in colleges across America. The professors insist that you purchase the book that they wrote and had published more to impress themselves and their bottom line than to provide a worldly education to the masses. College is portrayed as this "free, open society" but in reality it's a closely managed, well marketed money making machine built upon a bunch of monopolistic practices. Unfortunately, most jobs at the next level for me require a college degree, even though I have better than 5 years of experience in my field and am considered one of the best at my job in the corporation I work for.
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You are a pompous asshole, but I agree with you.
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Given the chance, I intend to write a paper on it. I've chosen to major in Business, specifically MIS, since I've been managing an entire call center's IT department for 5 years now. I figure, based on the curriculum, that it should be relatively easy to get done since I've got real world, practical experience and one of the best "lab" environments I could ever ask for. I question the qualifications of my professors to speak on the matter really, as they seem to have done a lot of studying and observing of the business world, enough it seems to write several books on it to pad their salaries, but probably never worked for an extended period in the field that they claim to be "experts" in. I think it would be quite interesting to guage the reaction of the staff after writing a paper, essentially attacking their way of life and calling into question their purpose for existence. Would they torpedo me for exposing them? Or would they embrace my thinking as the "free, open thought" that college is supposed to inspire? Time will tell.
 
How can anyone be overeducated? Maybe it won't improve your salary, maybe it will, but a LOT of the problems in the world would be alleviated or destroyed completely if everyone were simply better educated.
 
I knew I'd be criticized for being pompous, even jokingly, but I'm not really like that in person. My peers and subordinates always know that I will have an answer for their question or a solution to their problem, that defies education really. Personality, approachability and a general willing to always get the job done is more beneficial than all the pieces of paper in the world. It also does speak volumes when you've got your peers calling you, messaging you and e-mailing you on how to fix things at their own site constantly and you're the "go to" guy in the company at your level. I do honestly have to say though, that they guy that trained me was the former "go to" guy and he taught me well. He referred to me as his Padawan Learner in the dark side of Systems Administration.
 
well if somebody is telling you that getting a degree guarantees a higher salary, then yes, they are over-hyping college. but i've never heard anyone say that... it just gives you an edge over those without degrees.
 
Originally posted by: gopunk
well if somebody is telling you that getting a degree guarantees a higher salary, then yes, they are over-hyping college. but i've never heard anyone say that... it just gives you an edge over those without degrees.
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So going through 7 to 8 years of school to become a dentist or a doctor won't guarantee me a higher salary?
 
Ah, someone remembers me. Yes I am. I am an Army Reservist who was mobilized for almost two years, up until last Thursday to be exact, after 9/11. I am more specifically a Military Police Officer in a strictly Law Enforcement capacity. I also double as a full-time Systems Administrator as a civilian. I recently decided to make good use of my college benefits as a Reservist and go to school and get my degree.

BTW, my ultimate goal, if anyone gives a damn, is to become the CEO of a major corporation, setup a fat severance package, slice and dice a bunch of jobs to make the investors happy, then start spending profits until the company is fat and bloated with a bunch of equipment and processes that no one can figure out, get fired by the Board of Directors and go on to live the high life as a "fired" millionaire. How's that sound? 😉
 
Originally posted by: Rogue
Ah, someone remembers me. Yes I am. I am an Army Reservist who was mobilized for almost two years, up until last Thursday to be exact, after 9/11. I am more specifically a Military Police Officer in a strictly Law Enforcement capacity. I also double as a full-time Systems Administrator as a civilian. I recently decided to make good use of my college benefits as a Reservist and go to school and get my degree.

BTW, my ultimate goal, if anyone gives a damn, is to become the CEO of a major corporation, setup a fat severance package, slice and dice a bunch of jobs to make the investors happy, then start spending profits until the company is fat and bloated with a bunch of equipment and processes that no one can figure out, get fired by the Board of Directors and go on to live the high life as a "fired" millionaire. How's that sound? 😉
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Please send me your resume and cover letter ASAP. Do mention what actions items are on your plate, how you plan to synergize the bottom line and why we should make you a value added associate.
 
Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Originally posted by: gopunk
well if somebody is telling you that getting a degree guarantees a higher salary, then yes, they are over-hyping college. but i've never heard anyone say that... it just gives you an edge over those without degrees.
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So going through 7 to 8 years of school to become a dentist or a doctor won't guarantee me a higher salary?
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of course not, you could go into business and make way more than a dentist or a doctor. but business is more risky... there are tradeoffs, but no guarantees.
 
I've thought about this alot and there are a lot of beneficial *side effects* to being educated, such as lifestyle, health, social circle. For example, they've found that the more educated a person is, the less likely they are to be obese.

If you're going to school for just the money, then yes, there are other ways to make good money besides going to college for the wrong degree. But higher education still has a lot of benefits that aren't readily apparent.

 
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Originally posted by: gopunk
well if somebody is telling you that getting a degree guarantees a higher salary, then yes, they are over-hyping college. but i've never heard anyone say that... it just gives you an edge over those without degrees.
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So going through 7 to 8 years of school to become a dentist or a doctor won't guarantee me a higher salary?
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of course not, you could go into business and make way more than a dentist or a doctor. but business is more risky... there are tradeoffs, but no guarantees.
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Maybe studying medicice won't guarantee me a higer salary, but my chances of earning good money are multiplied 10 fold with it.
 
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