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Is Heatware really honest?

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DavLucMac

Golden Member
Okay guys, I've lately become more and more frustrated with how heat seems to be treated around the boards by some people. I've noticed from a couple of deals gone bad that people seem to think that you should be able to avoid actually posting negative heatware for anything short of a trolling. To clarify, take this scenario.

Person A buys an item and pays for it with paypal, Person B "ships it". The tracking never works, never goes active or whatever. A long list of excuses happens which may in fact be true, and three weeks later the money is FINALLY getting back into Person A's account. All along the way, contact has been somewhat intermittent by person B.

At the end of all this... should no heatware be posted? Should neutral heatware be posted? Should positive heat be posted becuase the deal was, after all, dealt with? Or should they *gasp* recieve negative heat merely conveying the facts and the trade gone badly?

I'm personally a fan of the neutral idea. I abhor the idea of not giving it out to not "tarnish" someone's heatware becuase you think it was an isolated incident. How many times has it happened before you?! If people would post the truth, thigs like this could be avoided, or at least looked out for.

I'm tired of heat just being a back scratch when we don't loose our money. I thought it was a way to preserve the professionalism around this board.

...let the flames begin.

dav
 
I've never had reason to give a negative or a neutral, but I know what you mean. Heatware is dependent, like any other rating system, on the users who submit the rating; it is not a complete indicator, but instead a general idea of how a trade will likely go.

Rob
 
actually, i feel like people are scared to leave negative heatback for someone with a lot of positives... peer pressure? 😀
 
That'd be a negative from me, no question. The transaction never occured, despite being mutually agreed upon and the buyer is now out whatever transaction fees were neccessary. This is no different from a non-selling seller on eBay (Such as Mark Mitsubishi, seller in the infamous Evo scandal)
 
You're right, Heatware isn't honest. Unless you've been stealing tens of thousands of dollars then your heatware is nothing but a count of the number of transactions you've completed. People are afraid of getting retaliatory negative feedback, so they don't leave it even when it's deserved.
 
i think the neutral choice is very under used

stuff happens sure, but TRENDS of "stuff" happening all the time with a trader should be evident from many neutral ratings

i think a lot of people just don't do heatware when minor problems occur (they feel like they'll get crap if they do a neutral or negative)
 
Originally posted by: FoBoT
i think the neutral choice is very under used

stuff happens sure, but TRENDS of "stuff" happening all the time with a trader should be evident from many neutral ratings

i think a lot of people just don't do heatware when minor problems occur (they feel like they'll get crap if they do a neutral or negative)
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Minor problems like wrong shipping method are acceptable for that response. But if a transaction does not complete after you have sent money, it should be negative regardless of whether or not it is refunded.
 
Originally posted by: DavLucMac
Okay guys, I've lately become more and more frustrated with how heat seems to be treated around the boards by some people. I've noticed from a couple of deals gone bad that people seem to think that you should be able to avoid actually posting negative heatware for anything short of a trolling. To clarify, take this scenario.

Person A buys an item and pays for it with paypal, Person B "ships it". The tracking never works, never goes active or whatever. A long list of excuses happens which may in fact be true, and three weeks later the money is FINALLY getting back into Person A's account. All along the way, contact has been somewhat intermittent by person B.

At the end of all this... should no heatware be posted? Should neutral heatware be posted? Should positive heat be posted becuase the deal was, after all, dealt with? Or should they *gasp* recieve negative heat merely conveying the facts and the trade gone badly?

I'm personally a fan of the neutral idea. I abhor the idea of not giving it out to not "tarnish" someone's heatware becuase you think it was an isolated incident. How many times has it happened before you?! If people would post the truth, thigs like this could be avoided, or at least looked out for.

I'm tired of heat just being a back scratch when we don't loose our money. I thought it was a way to preserve the professionalism around this board.

...let the flames begin.

dav
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You sir should be BANNED!! =)
 
and that brings me to my next point... there's nothing govorning the retalitory negative heat. I'm very happy to leave neutral or negative heat for a situation as above, the problem is dealing with the fact that *nothing* controls what they respond with. They can easily claim that I "didn't give them enough time" or "over-reacted", and post negative heat back in my direction. Then it's just a pain in the a*s to get removed, if it happens at all. So is something other than positive heat in order, yes... but sometimes I wonder if this is going to end up being worth it.
dav
 
Don't wuss out. Leave appropriate heat..no matter what.

A trader is only as good as his/her/its last trade. If the correct heat is not given, then a TRUE picture of a trader is not portrayed.



Hell, I have contacted a trader (still active) on this board over 6 times asking him to leave appropriate heat for tader #2 (who has 200 pos. heats). His issue was resolved after 1 month only after he posted a complaint thread in the FS forum. Trader #2 made some nasty email comments, and trader #1 has backed down from leaving a bad eval :|:|:|

Ticks me off....


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Originally posted by: Sundog
Don't wuss out. Leave appropriate heat..no matter what. A trader is only as good as his/her/its last trade. If the correct heat is not given, then a TRUE picture of a trader is not portayed. Hell, I have contacted a trader (still active) on this board over 6 times asking him to leave appropriate heat for tader #2 (who has 200 pos. heats). His issue was resolved after 1 month only after he posted a complaint thread in the FS forum. Trader #2 made some nasty email comments, and trader #1 has backed down from leaving a bad eval :|:|:| Ticks me off....
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Leave negative or at a minimum nuetral heat. it is the right thing to do, and youowe it to the next guy who deals with the person in question.
i have 158 heatware and one of those is negative. As a REAL trader, i admitted that I was WRONG. It has not affected my future trades, and it was over 1-1/2 years ago, the mistake has not been made since.

Do i feel mad because a person left me neutral heat? No, thats how the system is supposed to work, it taught me a lesson to not rush so much. I failed on my end and did everythign i could to make up for it. Do I wish that item was gone form my heat? NO! I offer it to people so that they can see i am REAL, they can check my feedback with ANYOE on my list at ANY time. I dont mind. I want them to have a good trade/purchase, etc. as much as I want to recieve a good trade, etc.


 
sundog, I agree... that's what's going to happen. The problem is that I'm sure bad heat is going to be shot my way and it's going to be a pain in the ass to get that dealt with.
dav
 
I'm no longer scared of "relataliatory" negs...I've handed out nuetrals and negs to people and gotten some but heat23 always clears em up for me within a few days. So long as your a decent person and keep track of your transactions and always keep your word then people shouldn't complain and shouldn't be scared of giving an eval of what u think...wether it be cause of attitude or packing or just plain unsatisfactory dealing so long as a transaction took place, even if u returned the item...especially if u returned the item...those are the most interesting and shows a persons true colors.
 
Also,
I think WHO you trade with makes a difference.


my list includes allot of the stand up traders from AT, Johnnie, Sundog, WHS, Killa, Huntress, etc.
I am not saying deal with only these people, but when i check someones heatware and i see a list of people I have traded with in the past, I feel a bit better. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Johnnie
In most cases..heat is good to go.
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Exactly. I never seen a reason to give negative heatware since I've never been screwed. I never had any transactions go wrong where I need to leave neutral either. Hell, if someone gave me some sh!t like that I would not hesitate to leave neutral. What's there to be scared of? The trollhunters would take your side.
 
Yah, it's pretty good for the most part.

Once I left positive when a neutral should have been deserved at least but I'll never do that again. And once I've recieved a positive when I should have earned at least a neutral due to my being a new trader and some miscomunication.

For the most part I think it works good. Not every one is legit of course but I think if a buyer is flaky it will come out.
 
well, thanks for the encouragment all. If things turn out the be retarded, I'll have the weight of your opinions as well.
thanks
dav
 
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