Is having a Christian president something to fear?

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Riprorin

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The sixth President of the United States was John Quincy Adams.

On March 4th 1825, he was inaugurated as President and served one term. His inaugural address closed with these words:

"Knowing that 'except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain,' with fervent supplications for His favor, to His overruling providence I commit, with humble, but fearless confidence, my own fate, and the future destinies of my country."

Known as a great orator, he was a popular speaker in many places. He owed his influence, not to his manner, presence or pleasing tones, but to the fact that what he said was worth hearing. When it was feared that Christian influence was waning in New England, he prepared a lecture on Truth, which he delivered in many places. The premise was: "A man to be a Christian must believe in God, in the Bible, in the Divinity of the Savior's mission, and in a future state of rewards and punishments."

Adams wrote a series of letters to his son on "The Bible and its Teachings" which were published in the New York Tribune, in which he stated: "I have myself for many years made it a practice to read through the Bible once every year. I have always endeavored to read it with the same spirit and temper of mind which I now recommend to you; that is, with the intention and desire that it contribute to my advancement in wisdom and virtue ... My custom is, to read four or five chapters every morning, immediately after rising form my bed. It employs about an hour of my time, and seems to me the most suitable manner of beginning the day."

America's Chrisitan Rulers: John Quincy Adams

America's sixth president would probably be labeled by today's leftists as a radical extremist fundamentalist Christian, yet our nation seems to have survived him!
 
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yllus

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Yeah, the world was really awesome in 1825. Totally comparable scenarios. Hey, you know what was a really cool from back then? President Lincoln's plan to ship all coloured folk off of continental America to an island! Man, bring on back those 1800s.

...My point being that today's leftists would probably be quite accurate in stating that Adams was/is a radical extremist fundamentalist Christian.

I'm more of a President James Polk fan though, seeing as he doubled the land mass that consists of America in one term (he stated his intentions to serve only one term from the very beginning, and kept to his word). He was a Presbyterian, for whatever that counts for.
 
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Erm? And? I don't care if he eats kneeling down, has a picture of Jesus in his wallet, or waits for God to cure his scorpion stings. He can just kindly avoid letting his religion interfere with his duty to the American people. Needless to say, I wouldn't vote for somebody whose judgement I didn't trust, and in my mind being a fanatical Christian represents fairly poor judgement. Not saying this guy is necesarrily a fanatical Christian, I'm just sayin'...
 
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Riprorin

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While encamped on the banks of a river, Washington was approached by Delaware Indian chiefs who desired that their youth be trained in American schools. In Washington's response, he first told them that "Congress... will look on them as on their own children." That is, we would train their children as if they were our own. He then commended the chiefs for their decision:

You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention.

According to George Washington, what students would learn in American schools "above all" was "the religion of Jesus Christ."

It looks like our first president, George Washington, wa a fundamentalist wacko too.

How did we ever survive!

 
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Originally posted by: Riprorin

While encamped on the banks of a river, Washington was approached by Delaware Indian chiefs who desired that their youth be trained in American schools. In Washington's response, he first told them that "Congress... will look on them as on their own children." That is, we would train their children as if they were our own. He then commended the chiefs for their decision:

You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention.

According to George Washington, what students would learn in American schools "above all" was "the religion of Jesus Christ."

It looks like our first president, George Washington, wa a fundamentalist wacko too.

How did we ever survive!
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Originally posted by: Infohawk
The founding fathers tolerated and supported slavery. Do you want that too?
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QFT
 
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kogase

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Originally posted by: Riprorin

It looks like our first president, George Washington, wa a fundamentalist wacko too.

How did we ever survive!
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The same way we survived our first president, George Washington, being a slave owner. We moved on.
 
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Rip really makes other Christians look bad. I'm Christian and I don't consider Rip a Christian. I consider him a greedy, money whore/bigot who spends his day putting down others on a message board who don't agree with his Taliban views..
 
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maybe if he's the jerry falwell type, that would be dangerous. Bush is a boozer and his wife gets off on Desperate Housewives. Not exactly holy rollers in my book
 
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kogase

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Originally posted by: rickn
maybe if he's the jerry falwell type, that would be dangerous. Bush is a boozer and his wife gets off on Desperate Housewives. Not exactly holy rollers in my book
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Desperate Housewives? And Bush gave up alcohol. Give credit where credit is due.
 
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Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: rickn
maybe if he's the jerry falwell type, that would be dangerous. Bush is a boozer and his wife gets off on Desperate Housewives. Not exactly holy rollers in my book
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Desperate Housewives? And Bush gave up alcohol. Give credit where credit is due.
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Too bad .... If he only would have kept drinking maybe one more year then the US would have been safer
 
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Orsorum

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I don't care if a president is Christian, Catholic, Muslim, athiest, animist, Buddhist, whatever. Their religion doesn't bother me. I draw the line when they exert their beliefs over mine. I draw the line when their beliefs retard the progress of American society, be it spiritual, scientific, academic, or political.
 
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Rainsford

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Three mistakes Rip makes here.

#1: Very few people object to having a Christian president, or indeed a president of any faith. The people that object to any part of religion in the presidency object to the president attempting to use his position to inflict his religion on everyone else. Saying you like to read the Bible; fine. Saying you think everyone should have to read the Bible; not fine. See the difference?

#2: Although there is much to admire about many of our presidents, that does not make every aspect of their lives perfect. As others have pointed out, many of them were far from perfect. So arguing that something is good simply because they did it really doesn't make a lot of sense.

#3: Rip's reasoning is just terrible. You can't use a few examples to prove the larger case all on their own. Perhaps there were good presidents who were Christian. That doesn't mean all Christian presidents will be good. You haven't drawn any logical connection.

Despite what Rip might think, I don't think most people oppose religion in general. What some people don't like is the way some religions people go around beating everyone with their religion stick. It's annoying, unwanted, and if you are the president, illegal.
 
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DealMonkey

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Exactly Rainsford. The problem isn't the mere fact that the President is (insert specific faith here), it's that he is making decisions based on his religion. Decisions that affect all of us. I also object to what amounts to overt religious proselytizing and pandering ... something that Rip has managed to base virtually every single one of his posts around here.
 
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nageov3t

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huh. I had a reply all written up in my head, then Rains went and posted it.

get... out... of... my... head... :| :p
 
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Originally posted by: Riprorin
America's second president would probably be labeled by today's leftists as a radical extremist fundamentalist Christian, yet our nation seems to have survived him!
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We are a resilient nation after all we also survived Richard Nixon
 
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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Three mistakes Rip makes here.

#1: Very few people object to having a Christian president, or indeed a president of any faith. The people that object to any part of religion in the presidency object to the president attempting to use his position to inflict his religion on everyone else. Saying you like to read the Bible; fine. Saying you think everyone should have to read the Bible; not fine. See the difference?

#2: Although there is much to admire about many of our presidents, that does not make every aspect of their lives perfect. As others have pointed out, many of them were far from perfect. So arguing that something is good simply because they did it really doesn't make a lot of sense.

#3: Rip's reasoning is just terrible. You can't use a few examples to prove the larger case all on their own. Perhaps there were good presidents who were Christian. That doesn't mean all Christian presidents will be good. You haven't drawn any logical connection.

Despite what Rip might think, I don't think most people oppose religion in general. What some people don't like is the way some religions people go around beating everyone with their religion stick. It's annoying, unwanted, and if you are the president, illegal.
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Great post. And right on the money. Unfortunately, some people will never get it.
 
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Gaard

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Rip really makes other Christians look bad. I'm Christian and I don't consider Rip a Christian. I consider him a greedy, money whore/bigot who spends his day putting down others on a message board who don't agree with his Taliban views..
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Don't be fooled. Rip is the biggest Athiest on these boards. Making people think he's a religious fundy is just his way of achieving his goal. You know what his goal is, don't you?

 
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conjur

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: rickn
maybe if he's the jerry falwell type, that would be dangerous. Bush is a boozer and his wife gets off on Desperate Housewives. Not exactly holy rollers in my book
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Desperate Housewives? And Bush gave up alcohol. Give credit where credit is due.
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Too bad .... If he only would have kept drinking maybe one more year then the US would have been safer
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Or if Pickles had killed him instead of that other boy.
 
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