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Is Haswell the new i8 or still i7 is in the name.

Why would you care? The name doesn't make it any better or worse.

We have only one certainty: the naming will be meaningless and senseless.
 
BenchPress said:
We have only one certainty: the naming will be meaningless and senseless.
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This. This so much.

I like to think about myself as a tech enthusiast and even I have trouble tracking all the arbitrary naming changes that companies like to push. Why the hell did Intel change their naming scheme four times over three gens? And AMD on the CPU side is even worse.
 
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Arzachel said:
Why the hell did Intel change their naming scheme four times over three gens?
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Because they wanted to mess with us.

If you come home feeling really positive about your Pentium G630 because G630 is an awesome name, then Intel Gets Money.

After a couple years of fighting that crappy G630, you go out and buy a new machine. (Even though your old one was I/O limited...) You overcompensate and Intel sells you an i5 instead of an i3. Intel Gets Money.

If you come home with an i7 instead of an i3 because 7 will last twice as long, then Intel Gets Money.

If you vaguely remember one of your computer friends a few years ago saying how Pentium sucked compared to Core, and now there's a choice between a G630 laptop and a Core i3 laptop, you'll spend the extra $100 on the i3. Intel Gets Money. (Keeping uneducated consumers confused is an EXCELLENT way to take their money.)

And people like us, who actually know what's going on, are pissed off. What do we do? We buy i5s and i7s, and help our friends, families, clients,etc., find the chip that's right for them as informed consumers. Intel Gets Money.

Intel Gets Money.
 
My guess is it will be i7/5/3 just like today. Specially since it will be the same number of cores and HT, Turbo etc.
 
grkM3 said:
Ivy is 3rd generation i7/5/3 so haswell will be gen 4
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I'm not sure they'll continue with the gen. 4, 5, 6, 7, etc. naming scheme. If you think about it, Nehalem, Westmere, Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge are not all that different. Haswell will be radically innovative with AVX2 and TSX, so I wouldn't mind if they reflected that in the naming scheme instead of just calling it the next-gen i3/i5/i7.
 
Regardless of the motivations, the naming conventions used for chips are undeniably moronic. I've spent much of the last three months researching and documenting x86 CPUs and chipsets, and much of the time the names seem to have been designed deliberately to confuse.
 
borisvodofsky said:
I want i6 ,, thanks very much. :\
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An i2 K chips would be better....Hmm 2 cores no hype overclockable to 6ghz or so would be cool.

CharlesKozierok said:
Regardless of the motivations, the naming conventions used for chips are undeniably moronic. I've spent much of the last three months researching and documenting x86 CPUs and chipsets, and much of the time the names seem to have been designed deliberately to confuse.
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The desktop platform isn't too bad, but once you start poking around in the mobile world I see your point as it's a mess with cores, ht, turbo, no turbo.
 
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I wish they would at least be consistent. Celeron/Pentium -> i1. Xeon -> i9. They've got enough digits in their model numbers to sort out the rest of the details if they really want, too.
 
dave_the_nerd said:
Because they wanted to mess with us.

If you come home feeling really positive about your Pentium G630 because G630 is an awesome name, then Intel Gets Money.

After a couple years of fighting that crappy G630, you go out and buy a new machine. (Even though your old one was I/O limited...) You overcompensate and Intel sells you an i5 instead of an i3. Intel Gets Money.

If you come home with an i7 instead of an i3 because 7 will last twice as long, then Intel Gets Money.

If you vaguely remember one of your computer friends a few years ago saying how Pentium sucked compared to Core, and now there's a choice between a G630 laptop and a Core i3 laptop, you'll spend the extra $100 on the i3. Intel Gets Money. (Keeping uneducated consumers confused is an EXCELLENT way to take their money.)

And people like us, who actually know what's going on, are pissed off. What do we do? We buy i5s and i7s, and help our friends, families, clients,etc., find the chip that's right for them as informed consumers. Intel Gets Money.

Intel Gets Money.
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This.
 
Won't be i8, that is an even number. Has to be either i7 or i9. History says it will be an i7 and the first digit of the processor number will be incremented from a 3 to a 4.

2700k -> 3770k -> 4840k (all i7)

2500k -> 3570k -> 4640k (all i5)
 
dave_the_nerd said:
Because they wanted to mess with us.

If you come home feeling really positive about your Pentium G630 because G630 is an awesome name, then Intel Gets Money.

After a couple years of fighting that crappy G630, you go out and buy a new machine. (Even though your old one was I/O limited...) You overcompensate and Intel sells you an i5 instead of an i3. Intel Gets Money.

If you come home with an i7 instead of an i3 because 7 will last twice as long, then Intel Gets Money.

If you vaguely remember one of your computer friends a few years ago saying how Pentium sucked compared to Core, and now there's a choice between a G630 laptop and a Core i3 laptop, you'll spend the extra $100 on the i3. Intel Gets Money. (Keeping uneducated consumers confused is an EXCELLENT way to take their money.)

And people like us, who actually know what's going on, are pissed off. What do we do? We buy i5s and i7s, and help our friends, families, clients,etc., find the chip that's right for them as informed consumers. Intel Gets Money.

Intel Gets Money.
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A laptop with a 65watt tdp processor :O (G630 is a desktop processor, B940/B950/B960/B970 are laptop sandy bridge pentium processors.)
 
Kenmitch said:
The desktop platform isn't too bad, but once you start poking around in the mobile world I see your point as it's a mess with cores, ht, turbo, no turbo.
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Well, I'd say the desktop platform isn't too bad if you look at the last couple of generations. But the whole "i3 / i5 / i7" thing was and is pointless and stupid marketing fluff. And the older generations were even more confusing.

Oh, and as bad as Intel is with this stuff, AMD has been far, far worse. Their model naming was and still is just awful. And that's not even including the morass of overlapping "processor ratings", which they were still using as recently as 6 or 7 years ago, and made it almost impossible to tell exactly what CPU was what unless you looked at the SKU codes and knew what to do with them.
 
BenchPress said:
I'm not sure they'll continue with the gen. 4, 5, 6, 7, etc. naming scheme. If you think about it, Nehalem, Westmere, Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge are not all that different. Haswell will be radically innovative with AVX2 and TSX, so I wouldn't mind if they reflected that in the naming scheme instead of just calling it the next-gen i3/i5/i7.
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Intel really broke their naming convention.

Nehalem and Westmere are the same architecture. Westmere is a die shrink. SB and IB are the same architecture; just a die shrink.

Nehalem and Westmere are both Gen 1. Sandy Bridge is Gen 2 and then... somehow Ivy Bridge and SB-E are both Gen 3? They really should've both remained Gen 2 for the sake of consistency.
 
Idontcare said:
Won't be i8, that is an even number. Has to be either i7 or i9. History says it will be an i7 and the first digit of the processor number will be incremented from a 3 to a 4.

2700k -> 3770k -> 4840k (all i7)

2500k -> 3570k -> 4640k (all i5)
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That would be vaguely logical. No worries, IB-E will make sure that this "logic" nonsense doesn't spoil Intel naming conventions 😛

pantsaregood said:
Nehalem and Westmere are both Gen 1. Sandy Bridge is Gen 2 and then... somehow Ivy Bridge and SB-E are both Gen 3? They really should've both remained Gen 2 for the sake of consistency.
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Consistency doesn't sell chips, I guess.
 
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