Is global population control now a good option?

[flunky nassau]

http://women.timesonline.co.uk...ies/article5627634.ece


Since resources are becoming a premium & global warming is looming (whether it's true or not), I'm thinking some sense of responsibility should be engaged when planning a family.

I guess the problem with sudden population control is what China is facing, where their aging population is going up against low birthrates, causing a possible collapse of the social safety-net system.

Although it looks like the U.S. ranks 135th in birth rate, don't we leave the largest carbon footprint of any nation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...ountries_by_birth_rate


I guess for starters, if you already have 6 kids, don't have f*cking octoplets!

Just sayin'



This post could possibly be preaching to the choir, since being on Anandtech has made most guys on here sterile anyway.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: flunky nassau
global warming is looming (whether it's true or not)

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[SMOGZINN]

Originally posted by: flunky nassau
http://women.timesonline.co.uk...ies/article5627634.ece


Since resources are becoming a premium & global warming is looming (whether it's true or not), I'm thinking some sense of responsibility should be engaged when planning a family.

I guess the problem with sudden population control is what China is facing, where their aging population is going up against low birthrates, causing a possible collapse of the social safety-net system.

Although it looks like the U.S. ranks 135th in birth rate, don't we leave the largest carbon footprint of any nation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...ountries_by_birth_rate


I guess for starters, if you already have 6 kids, don't have f*cking octoplets!

Just sayin'



This post could possibly be preaching to the choir, since being on Anandtech has made most guys on here sterile anyway.

Sure population control is a good idea, as long as it is voluntary. We need to start and major advertising campaigns to convince people to get voluntary free temporary (mostly) sterilization, but charge for the reverse procedure.

 

[spidey07]

We also have the most resources. So if anything the US should be producing MORE children. And now I think I've heard everything, enforce population control all in the name of going green. This is madness.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: flunky nassau
I guess for starters, if you already have 6 kids, don't have f*cking octoplets!

Just sayin'

And don't get me started on those damned Duggars!

 

[MotF Bane]

I like where this thread is going.

 

[TallBill]

Population is estimated to level out by 2050 in most of the world.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: flunky nassau
global warming is looming (whether it's true or not)

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:laugh:

hmmm

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Originally posted by: flunky nassau

Although it looks like the U.S. ranks 135th in birth rate, don't we leave the largest carbon footprint of any nation?

China, actually.

 

[IGBT]

1800's era emigration policies designed to populate the unsettled continent of the US are obsolete. The US is a settled continent and is in dire need of an imigration policy that reflects the present day realities i.e. 70% oil imports, water shortages and nat.gas shortages, population based enviromental impacts. The era of the unsetteled continent is long overwith.

 

[Dumac]

Population control has been a good idea for a very long time...

Unfortunately, retards seem to love making little retards in their image...

 

[Newbian]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante

Originally posted by: flunky nassau

Although it looks like the U.S. ranks 135th in birth rate, don't we leave the largest carbon footprint of any nation?

China, actually.

True, but they also have about 4 times the population U.S. has and if you break it down they are low compared to us.

 

[mxyzptlk]

nah, we're already on a one way road towards a global environmental collapse and no one in a position of authority is even remotely interested in slowing down. Even if you wanted to stop it, there's no way to convince a few billion asians that they don't deserve the same wasteful, destructive lifestyle that we here in the US enjoy.

We're already doomed. Better to just sit back and enjoy the ride for now. On the bright side, if we're lucky the shit wont really hit the fan for another generation or so.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Last summer was a taste of whats to come if we cant find a way to keep the worlds population in check. Polluted food, air and water, low resources and a landscape filled with lots of people with little manners, class or education.

Recipe for disaster.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: spidey07
We also have the most resources. So if anything the US should be producing MORE children. And now I think I've heard everything, enforce population control all in the name of going green. This is madness.

First step population control, next step eugenics.

 

[torpid]

I'm not a big fan of delaying the inevitable as a solution to the inevitable. Population control would only reduce the imminence of our doom. We need to find permanent solutions to our problems.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Population control is a good idea, but it'll never happen. The nature of every organism on the planet is to fill its niche to the capacity its resources can support. That includes us. We won't stop until the limiting factor is the death rate due to disease, murder, and starvation. Then the population will level out because for every new human being squeezed into the ecosystem, another must die to support it.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: torpid
I'm not a big fan of delaying the inevitable as a solution to the inevitable. Population control would only reduce the imminence of our doom. We need to find permanent solutions to our problems.

..well we could start by stop subsidizing population growth i.e. no dependant tax deductions, home mortage deduction and public education tution. The full cost of having/raising a family must be shouldered on those who choose such endeavors.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I agree to a certain extent, on the other hand it's not up to the goverment to decide how many kids people have. If people want 6 then let them have 6. But maybe put in stuff to discourage having more then say, 2 or 3 or whatever they think is an ok number. Like offer special services like free medical for the 2 first ones, then after that you're on your own, type of deal.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: IGBT

Originally posted by: torpid
I'm not a big fan of delaying the inevitable as a solution to the inevitable. Population control would only reduce the imminence of our doom. We need to find permanent solutions to our problems.

..well we could start by stop subsidizing population growth i.e. no dependant tax deductions, home mortage deduction and public education tution. The full cost of having/raising a family must be shouldered on those who choose such endeavors.

It's not the kids' fault if their parents can't support them - denying education will only disadvantage the children not the parents, and in fact will only ensure poverty continues into the next generation, costing the state more in potential earnings in the long term. Christ, the USA already denies medial care to children of poor families, you'd think that was barbaric enough.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: IGBT

Originally posted by: torpid
I'm not a big fan of delaying the inevitable as a solution to the inevitable. Population control would only reduce the imminence of our doom. We need to find permanent solutions to our problems.

..well we could start by stop subsidizing population growth i.e. no dependant tax deductions, home mortage deduction and public education tution. The full cost of having/raising a family must be shouldered on those who choose such endeavors.

A society MUST incent the production of children otherwise there would be no new workers and that society would fail.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
I agree to a certain extent, on the other hand it's not up to the goverment to decide how many kids people have. If people want 6 then let them have 6. But maybe put in stuff to discourage having more then say, 2 or 3 or whatever they think is an ok number. Like offer special services like free medical for the 2 first ones, then after that you're on your own, type of deal.

Why not just fine the parents for every unauthorized birth and have done with it? It won't change much, but it'll be a great source of revenue. Free medical care for the first two kids would probably mean you'd have a lot of families with 2 healthy kids and some more unhealthy ones with inferiority complexes from watching their siblings get taken to the doctor for every sniffle while they have to tough it out because daddy can't afford whiskey AND medical bills.

 

[flunky nassau]

How's Japan doing? I heard they are forcing workers to take vacations to go home & get busy.

Anyone know the current state of Japan regarding the consequences of population control?

 

[Queasy]

Not just no but HELL NO. We have politicians and their well-connected friends who don't even pay taxes. You think they are going to follow a silly birth rate rule? No.

Not to mention that the United States is barely above the birth rate needed to replace the existing population. Both Japan and Russia are actually under the birth rate necessary to replace their population and are actually begging their citizens to get busy and have babies.

Then there are all the unintended consequences from such an asinine law. You have couples aborting babies because it isn't the sex they wanted. You have couples murdering children because it isn't sex they wanted. You end up with a major gender population imbalance like in China were there are far more men than there are women. You end up with some people being allowed to have more children because they have the connections while others are left holding the bag. The list goes on on why this is a horrible idea.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Population is estimated to level out by 2050 in most of the world.

This. Once China and India become more industrialized, they will start to see population level off and decline like in European nations and other developed countries.

According to the estimates I've seen, world population is going to peak at about 10 billion (around 2050, as TallBill said).

Still a shitload of people, but as long as the current rate of growth doesn't continue to increase and starts to slow down and reverse over the next few decades, I think we can support this amount of people. Technology will also be improving and we will find better ways to utilize the limited resources available to us.

Call me an optimist.

As far as forced population control, I don't think that's really necessary in the US. Maybe it would be a good idea in other countries, but our birth rate isn't that high is it? IIRC it's just slightly above two, so our population isn't growing that quickly. The average children per couple is going down as well.