Is everything about Debian THIS Slow?

[Netopia]

I decided to install Debian and am going to do the jigdo routine. So... I tried all day to download the .template and .jigdo files (20.4MB and 244KB respectively). I never was able to get them downloaded at work. Now, at home and on a faster line (1.5MB T1 at work, 6MB Comcast at home) I got the .jigdo file downloaded... but it took about 2 minutes and now the .template file looks like it's going to take 2-3 HOURS at a whopping 2-3KB/s. This is from their official locations.

If just getting these rather small files is going to take this long... how long does it take to actually get the OS?!?!?! I've heard all sorts of good things about Debian, but if this is normal I'm surprised that I don't hear wailing and gnashing of teeth going on when Debian is mentioned.

IS THIS NORMAL?

Joe

 

[Nithin]

i would recommend getting it through bittorrent. try ubuntu. its a debian based distro

 

[xcript]

I'd recommend you go with a network install.

IMO, it only makes sense to use jigdo if you're going to be installing Debian on more than one machine.

 

[Netopia]

I'm just starting to play with Debian, so I wanted to make a DVD of all of the packages I wanted, but ONLY those packages, so that I'd have everything I need to reinstall and start over a few times (playing/learning) without having to download everything (net install) over again. If I do a net install, can I create an ISO from those packages, or does it just install and delete what was installed?

I'd be happy to just download the DVD via bittorrent, only they ONLY offer the (7 I think) CD's via bittorrent and not the DVDs.

I wonder why they have it set up so restrictively.

Joe

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: Netopia
I decided to install Debian and am going to do the jigdo routine. So... I tried all day to download the .template and .jigdo files (20.4MB and 244KB respectively). I never was able to get them downloaded at work. Now, at home and on a faster line (1.5MB T1 at work, 6MB Comcast at home) I got the .jigdo file downloaded... but it took about 2 minutes and now the .template file looks like it's going to take 2-3 HOURS at a whopping 2-3KB/s. This is from their official locations.

If just getting these rather small files is going to take this long... how long does it take to actually get the OS?!?!?! I've heard all sorts of good things about Debian, but if this is normal I'm surprised that I don't hear wailing and gnashing of teeth going on when Debian is mentioned.

IS THIS NORMAL?

Joe

jidgo is silly, just grab an iso. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/

p.s.: why not use ubuntu?

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: Netopia
I'm just starting to play with Debian, so I wanted to make a DVD of all of the packages I wanted, but ONLY those packages, so that I'd have everything I need to reinstall and start over a few times (playing/learning) without having to download everything (net install) over again. If I do a net install, can I create an ISO from those packages, or does it just install and delete what was installed?

I'd be happy to just download the DVD via bittorrent, only they ONLY offer the (7 I think) CD's via bittorrent and not the DVDs.

I wonder why they have it set up so restrictively.

Joe

You can just dump the .debs of all of the packages you want on a cd/dvd and then dpkg -i them all at once. Not sure if that will do what you want or if I am misunderstanding you.

 

[Netopia]

p.s.: why not use ubuntu?

From what reading I've done, the talk is that ubuntu stays farther than most from the original philosophy of Debian. I can't really expand much on that, being a noob to Debian (not even a noob... just a "hope to be").

You can just dump the .debs of all of the packages you want on a cd/dvd and then dpkg -i them all at once. Not sure if that will do what you want or if I am misunderstanding you.

Basically what I'm looking for is a single disk, full distro of pure Debian (not a child distro).

Joe

 

[Nothinman]

Basically what I'm looking for is a single disk, full distro of pure Debian (not a child distro).

Won't happen. Sarge has like 15,000 packages in it so I don't think it'll even fit on a single dual-layer DVD.

And if you have a fast connection why do you care? I max out my 6Mb/s Comcast cable regularly from Debian mirrors. If I get any less than 300K/s I usually begin to wonder and restart the process to get a new mirror.

Just grab the netinstall CD and install from the Internet, it's the simplest method. And if you decide you want to upgrade to sid (highly recommended if you want new packages) you'll most likely be downloading and upgrading packages every few weeks anyway.

 

[bersl2]

Originally posted by: Netopia

p.s.: why not use ubuntu?

From what reading I've done, the talk is that ubuntu stays farther than most from the original philosophy of Debian. I can't really expand much on that, being a noob to Debian (not even a noob... just a "hope to be").

I'm probably opening a can of worms by asking this, but...

Pop quiz time: without looking, can you state the "original" philosophy of Debian? And for extra credit: can you say how Ubuntu differs in its emphasis?

 

[Netopia]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Basically what I'm looking for is a single disk, full distro of pure Debian (not a child distro).

Won't happen. Sarge has like 15,000 packages in it so I don't think it'll even fit on a single dual-layer DVD.

And if you have a fast connection why do you care? I max out my 6Mb/s Comcast cable regularly from Debian mirrors. If I get any less than 300K/s I usually begin to wonder and restart the process to get a new mirror.

Just grab the netinstall CD and install from the Internet, it's the simplest method. And if you decide you want to upgrade to sid (highly recommended if you want new packages) you'll most likely be downloading and upgrading packages every few weeks anyway.

Well... all of this will be done from work on a 1.5Mb line, but there is PLENTY of other work to do while this is going on. I guess I'll try the netinstall.

Thanks,

Joe

 

[Netopia]

Originally posted by: bersl2

Originally posted by: Netopia

p.s.: why not use ubuntu?

From what reading I've done, the talk is that ubuntu stays farther than most from the original philosophy of Debian. I can't really expand much on that, being a noob to Debian (not even a noob... just a "hope to be").

I'm probably opening a can of worms by asking this, but...

Pop quiz time: without looking, can you state the "original" philosophy of Debian? And for extra credit: can you say how Ubuntu differs in its emphasis?

No, I don't think I can. Something about packages being integral to the OS or something different from RPM's... but I'm not even a padawan yet, so I'm probably a million miles off.

Joe

 

[Nothinman]

Ubuntu follows nearly all of the same guidelines as Debian. One guy complained about their packages not being 100% compatible with Debian, but that's the case with all "based on something" distributions.

But I still prefer Debian, they're stricter with their Free Software Guidelines, they support more architectures and they maintain many more official packages. Sid has 16,000 packages available, Ubuntu only maintains a very small portion of those in their main distribution and they put the rest in 'universe' and 'multiverse' which both are considered "should work, but aren't supported" AFAIK.

 

[Netopia]

What is SID?

 

[Netopia]

Downloading the 100MB Netinstaller from the link above... even that is slow, but at least it's 40-50Kb/s and not 2-3! :roll:

 

[Nothinman]

sid is the code name for the unstable branch of Debian, it's like -CURRENT for any of the BSDs. Packages hit unstable first then after a few weeks of QA they get pushed into testing which will eventually be released as stable.

Downloading the 100MB Netinstaller from the link above... even that is slow, but at least it's 40-50Kb/s and not 2-3!

You must have an issue somewhere else or your hitting a bad mirror, doing an 'apt-file update' is getting me ~470KB/s right now.

 

[Netopia]

Weird... my work and my ISP are on totally different networks, but I got REALLY slow response from both.

Doing the partitioning now. Seems pretty straight forward thus far.

Joe

 

[Netopia]

Using apt I'm maxing out the line here at work at about 155-160KB/s. Wonder why downloading the .template and .jibdo files was so painfully slow.