Is everyone who is not a Republican considered a Liberal

[dahunan]

WTF kind of BS is that

 

[RabidMongoose]

I have noticed that type of sentiment on this forum from some of the 'crazy' conservatives.

However, I have also noticed similar behavior from the 'crazy' liberals.

 

[Insane3D]

It's the whole "us vs them" mentality. If you can put someone who disagrees with you in this group over there, then you can stop paying attention to what they say. As soon as you only listen to people who agree with you, your view becomes extremely narrow.

IMO.

 

[T2T III]

Far Left, Moderate Left, Libertarian, Moderate Right, Far Right.

A large portion of the voters fall somewhere into those five areas.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Far Left, Moderate Left, Libertarian, Moderate Right, Far Right.

A large portion of the voters fall somewhere into those five areas.

I doubt it. Most people with half a brain decide on each issue independantly, and aren't real concerned with sticking to the party line. It's just not that simple as much as some would like it to be.

 

[AntiEverything]

You're confusing libertarian with moderate. Libertarians are for minimal government, which neither Reps, Dems, or anything in between is generally concerned with.

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: AntiEverything
You're confusing libertarian with moderate. Libertarians are for minimal government, which neither Reps, Dems, or anything in between is generally concerned with.

Reps used to be

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: dahunan
WTF kind of BS is that

Ok..where did you get this from?

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I have noticed that type of sentiment on this forum from some of the 'crazy' conservatives.

However, I have also noticed similar behavior from the 'crazy' liberals.

Yeah. I'm not saying he's crazy but Dave McOwen has called me a neocon/fearless liar lover on at least two occasions

 

[AntiEverything]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: AntiEverything
You're confusing libertarian with moderate. Libertarians are for minimal government, which neither Reps, Dems, or anything in between is generally concerned with.

Reps used to be

Uh, exactly my point. Libertarians are outside the current political spectrum.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: AntiEverything
You're confusing libertarian with moderate. Libertarians are for minimal government, which neither Reps, Dems, or anything in between is generally concerned with.

Reps used to be

I'm a former Republican that switched to Libertarian. If/when the Republican party returns to true conservative ideals, I will go back.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Far Left, Moderate Left, Libertarian, Moderate Right, Far Right.

A large portion of the voters fall somewhere into those five areas.

I doubt it. Most people with half a brain decide on each issue independantly, and aren't real concerned with sticking to the party line. It's just not that simple as much as some would like it to be.

Smartest thing I've read in P&N since Nov 2nd

As soon as someone whips out the "all you liberals blah blah blah" argument (and this goes for the conservative version too), I tend to put them into the stupid moron with uninformed opinion catagory.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Far Left, Moderate Left, Libertarian, Moderate Right, Far Right.

A large portion of the voters fall somewhere into those five areas.

I doubt it. Most people with half a brain decide on each issue independantly, and aren't real concerned with sticking to the party line. It's just not that simple as much as some would like it to be.

Nah, I like the fact that I can pick a side and commit to it. Does that mean that I agree with everything on the Republican agenda? Nope. I hate censorship, for example. Does it mean that the Republican party just happens to embody each and every one of my political ideas (or that I have adopted all of theirs)? Nope, not at all. But based on my perspective, my life experience, when I look at all the issues and weigh all the facts, I like an overwhelming majority of what the Republican party believes in. I'm not some wishy-washy wet dishrag that rides the fence on every issue. I hate that! I am a conservative Republican, and am not apologetic about it in the least. Even if I am labeled a religious whacko. That just tells me that my accuser knows absolutely nothing about my political viewpoint.

According to Tiles' 5 categories, I would say I'm inbetween Moderate Right and Far Right. I'm not Moderate Right, because they're like 60/40 Republican. Not me. I'm more 80/20. But I'm not Far Right. Those ARE the religious whackos who like to home school and want Stern off the air.

 

[jackace]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Far Left, Moderate Left, Libertarian, Moderate Right, Far Right.

A large portion of the voters fall somewhere into those five areas.

I doubt it. Most people with half a brain decide on each issue independantly, and aren't real concerned with sticking to the party line. It's just not that simple as much as some would like it to be.

Smartest thing I've read in P&N since Nov 2nd

As soon as someone whips out the "all you liberals blah blah blah" argument (and this goes for the conservative version too), I tend to put them into the stupid moron with uninformed opinion catagory.

I agree not everyone's beliefs on every issue are consistant with a single party line. Most people are actually all over the map depending on the issue.

 

[Orsorum]

Gah, don't mind me.

 

[jjzelinski]

Yes life is much more complicated as a wishy washy dish rag ride the fence sort of guy... If only I could lower my standards enough to "commit" to ideals or agenda's I don't believe I would be much happier! Very inspirational Rob, thank you...

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Far Left, Moderate Left, Libertarian, Moderate Right, Far Right.

A large portion of the voters fall somewhere into those five areas.

I doubt it. Most people with half a brain decide on each issue independantly, and aren't real concerned with sticking to the party line. It's just not that simple as much as some would like it to be.

Nah, I like the fact that I can pick a side and commit to it. Does that mean that I agree with everything on the Republican agenda? Nope. I hate censorship, for example. Does it mean that the Republican party just happens to embody each and every one of my political ideas (or that I have adopted all of theirs)? Nope, not at all. But based on my perspective, my life experience, when I look at all the issues and weigh all the facts, I like an overwhelming majority of what the Republican party believes in. I'm not some wishy-washy wet dishrag that rides the fence on every issue. I hate that! I am a conservative Republican, and am not apologetic about it in the least. Even if I am labeled a religious whacko. That just tells me that my accuser knows absolutely nothing about my political viewpoint.

According to Tiles' 5 categories, I would say I'm inbetween Moderate Right and Far Right. I'm not Moderate Right, because they're like 60/40 Republican. Not me. I'm more 80/20. But I'm not Far Right. Those ARE the religious whackos who like to home school and want Stern off the air.

I find that to be silly. Just because you consider each side equally and realize there is truth/benefits to each one doesn't mean you are wishy-washy or flip-flopping. I have a slight allegiance to the Rep party, but I say very very very slight.

 

[Dissipate]

I'm not a Republican, and I'm sure as hell not a liberal. I'm an anarchist (pure private property contractualist) libertarian. This basically means that I am virtually not even on the political scale, and it is hard to think of my position as being a political ideology, since I reject politics altogether.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Far Left, Moderate Left, Libertarian, Moderate Right, Far Right.

A large portion of the voters fall somewhere into those five areas.

I doubt it. Most people with half a brain decide on each issue independantly, and aren't real concerned with sticking to the party line. It's just not that simple as much as some would like it to be.

Nah, I like the fact that I can pick a side and commit to it. Does that mean that I agree with everything on the Republican agenda? Nope. I hate censorship, for example. Does it mean that the Republican party just happens to embody each and every one of my political ideas (or that I have adopted all of theirs)? Nope, not at all. But based on my perspective, my life experience, when I look at all the issues and weigh all the facts, I like an overwhelming majority of what the Republican party believes in. I'm not some wishy-washy wet dishrag that rides the fence on every issue. I hate that! I am a conservative Republican, and am not apologetic about it in the least. Even if I am labeled a religious whacko. That just tells me that my accuser knows absolutely nothing about my political viewpoint.

According to Tiles' 5 categories, I would say I'm inbetween Moderate Right and Far Right. I'm not Moderate Right, because they're like 60/40 Republican. Not me. I'm more 80/20. But I'm not Far Right. Those ARE the religious whackos who like to home school and want Stern off the air.

I find that to be silly. Just because you consider each side equally and realize there is truth/benefits to each one doesn't mean you are wishy-washy or flip-flopping. I have a slight allegiance to the Rep party, but I say very very very slight.

Nah, you're just afraid to say one way or the other, because you don't want to be labeled. Face it.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
I'm not a Republican, and I'm sure as hell not a liberal. I'm an anarchist (pure private property contractualist) libertarian. This basically means that I am virtually not even on the political scale, and it is hard to think of my position as being a political ideology, since I reject politics altogether.

Another cop out.

 

[jjzelinski]

Way to compomise your integrity Rob, keep fightin' the good fight!

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Way to compomise your integrity Rob, keep fightin' the good fight!

Buddy, I country where our political ideas don't fit narrow labels defined by others isn't a country I want to live in!

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: Dissipate
I'm not a Republican, and I'm sure as hell not a liberal. I'm an anarchist (pure private property contractualist) libertarian. This basically means that I am virtually not even on the political scale, and it is hard to think of my position as being a political ideology, since I reject politics altogether.

Another cop out.

In what way? Just because I do not "fit in" to the current political arena does not mean I am a cop out. On the contrary, I want to end everything that is political. However you want to categorize this view is up to you.

 

[Insane3D]

So, let me get this straight. If you decide on each issue objectively by looking at it from different angles and perspectives, you are "wishy washy" and "riding the fence"? However, when you blindly tow the party line, and "pick a side" on most issues, you are what....stubborn and close minded?

This is the problem we are facing right now. We have become so polarized that we think one "side" is the path to a utopian society, and the other "side" is evil incarnate that is hell bent on destroying the world. As soon as you only listen to people who think the same as you, and refuse to listen to a differing point of view because it's from "the other side", you are the one that loses out.

I've said this before...

Imagine if half the energy both "sides" spend villifying the other and doing everything in their power to "stop them", they worked together, and *gasp* compromised to solve the problems and issues facing all of us, think of what could be done.

Instead we elect these officials to basically carry on a schoolyard fight....and we are the losers.

Feel free to ignore everything I posted though, I'm probably going to feel different in a couple minutes when my wishy wasy a$$ falls off the fence... :roll:

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Far Left, Moderate Left, Libertarian, Moderate Right, Far Right.

A large portion of the voters fall somewhere into those five areas.

I doubt it. Most people with half a brain decide on each issue independantly, and aren't real concerned with sticking to the party line. It's just not that simple as much as some would like it to be.

Nah, I like the fact that I can pick a side and commit to it. Does that mean that I agree with everything on the Republican agenda? Nope. I hate censorship, for example. Does it mean that the Republican party just happens to embody each and every one of my political ideas (or that I have adopted all of theirs)? Nope, not at all. But based on my perspective, my life experience, when I look at all the issues and weigh all the facts, I like an overwhelming majority of what the Republican party believes in. I'm not some wishy-washy wet dishrag that rides the fence on every issue. I hate that! I am a conservative Republican, and am not apologetic about it in the least. Even if I am labeled a religious whacko. That just tells me that my accuser knows absolutely nothing about my political viewpoint.

According to Tiles' 5 categories, I would say I'm inbetween Moderate Right and Far Right. I'm not Moderate Right, because they're like 60/40 Republican. Not me. I'm more 80/20. But I'm not Far Right. Those ARE the religious whackos who like to home school and want Stern off the air.

I find that to be silly. Just because you consider each side equally and realize there is truth/benefits to each one doesn't mean you are wishy-washy or flip-flopping. I have a slight allegiance to the Rep party, but I say very very very slight.

Nah, you're just afraid to say one way or the other, because you don't want to be labeled. Face it.

Nope. You'd be wrong. I don't care if someone labels me or not. I'm just not partisan.

 

[Rob9874]

I'm not saying I don't weigh every issue. Didn't you read my post? I even gave the example of censorship. I vehemently oppose censorship, despite the fact that the Republican party is typically for it. I would never side with an issue just because my party does. That would be ridiculous. I can honestly say my poitical opinions are my own choosing, and not influenced by any political party. I'm saying that when I support tax cuts, support welfare reform, support pro-life, support gay marriage bans, support free trade, etc, I'm not afraid to be labeled a Republican. I would ASSUME most people also side with a majority of one party's platform, but like to call themselves "independent" because they want to avoid stereotypes from either side. I honestly believe that. Sorry.