Is education a good investment right now?

[cutforscience]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RWYzyZtYhg

 

[JSt0rm]

no. Horrible investment. We need to invest in defense spending.

 

[cutforscience]

lol

 

[schneiderguy]

We're wasting our tax dollars trying to educate some people (special education, people in the ghetto who refuse to "be white" and actually learn stuff, etc).

 

[JSt0rm]

people in the ghetto who refuse to "be white" and actually learn stuff, etc).

 

[schneiderguy]

Yes srs

If people are just going to be disruptive in school they should be kicked out and let the kids who actually want to learn, learn.

 

[MovingTarget]

We're wasting our tax dollars trying to educate some people (special education, people in the ghetto who refuse to "be white" and actually learn stuff, etc).

You'd be suprised how special education programs can make those who otherwise would be dependent on others completely into functional independent members of society. That attitude belongs in 1873.

No child is born with the attitude that education is only for "whitey" - that it isn't cool or is to be looked down upon. That is learned. What is needed is a dramatic departure of the way we approach educating these youth. You shouldn't simply give up. That is shortsighted and wrong.

 

[MovingTarget]

Yes srs

If people are just going to be disruptive in school they should be kicked out and let the kids who actually want to learn, learn.

To add to my other comment, returning the authority to teachers to discipline is part of the needed reforms. As it is, teachers have the legal responsibility of parents while they are in their care, but none of the authority.

 

[Throckmorton]

To add to my other comment, returning the authority to teachers to discipline is part of the needed reforms. As it is, teachers have the legal responsibility of parents while they are in their care, but none of the authority.

Right, just what we need, teachers spanking students who are willing and able to murder them.

 

[cutforscience]

To add to my other comment, returning the authority to teachers to discipline is part of the needed reforms. As it is, teachers have the legal responsibility of parents while they are in their care, but none of the authority.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xfE5KwKx9I

 

[IGBT]

for your generation dumb is kewl. You're doomed.

 

[Jhhnn]

Right now, international capitalism is hiring educated talent offshore almost exclusively, so I'd say that spending on education would be smart only if it's for something people need rather than want, or something that the Wealthy are willing to pay for.

Law enforcement.

Any sort of hands on skill that can't be offshored & yet isn't heavily dependent on housing construction.

Finance, of course, because that's actually international.

OTOH, underwater basket weaving might be every bit as good when hiring just isn't happening.

 

[JSt0rm]

for your generation dumb is kewl. You're doomed.

The problem is they look into the future and see hardship and pain as far as the eye can see. Best to play xbox and enjoy life. I dont think this way but if I was 15 or 16 looking at the future job market in a uneducated household I may just say fuck it all.

 

[cutforscience]

my 13 year old son plays xbox 360 at a proficient level

i am proud of him

 

[alphatarget1]

Don't study worthless liberal arts at a really expensive private school and go to a quality state school for marketable skills. Problem solved.

 

[sMiLeYz]

RT, Russian Today, is a Russian propaganda mouthpiece. It's like Fox News representing the Russian government marketed towards right wingers.

Doesn't mean they might or might not have a point, but viewer beware. As for college, its up to the individual whether they decide college is worth it or not.

 

[JSt0rm]

Don't study worthless liberal arts at a really expensive private school and go to a quality state school for marketable skills. Problem solved.

hmmm. This would be a very old school way of thinking. I would argue that for the majority yes they need to get a degree in a very rigid marketable skill but some have passion and determination a arts degree with tech mix can create a very powerful individual. Creativity is an elusive beast and the only way you can be sure someone will survive into the unknown future is to give them that ability to be creative. Unfortunately our schools train the creativity out of people.

 

[masteryoda34]

If you have a difficult time listing 5 jobs your major could lead (directly) to, it is probably a waste of money.

 

[JSt0rm]

If you have a difficult time listing 5 jobs your major could lead (directly) to, it is probably a waste of money.

and when those jobs no longer exist because of something unforeseen?

No. Best things are divergent thinking and creativity with a basic understand of the technical and scientific world.

 

[Infohawk]

This would be a very old school way of thinking.

It's not really old school it's mostly prole-ish. It's the attitude of an unthinking drone. Obviously some people would be happy being a refrigerator repairman if it made enough money. Others wouldn't. Some people want to study philosophy or pure math regardless of how much money it takes.

What would be old-school would be rich people sending their kids to study liberal arts for generations so that they can be well-rounded and see the big picture. This is as opposed to masteryoda or alphatarget who belong in their corner as technicians and who have no use for things like history or philosophy.

Our common problem is that the government has been pushing proles to get the education of the rich or the non-rich thinker. It doesn't serve any purpose. It's wasted upon people who don't want it. We need more technical (e.g., mechanic) programs. Unfortunately employers don't help. They ask for computer science degrees when what they usually want is a coding monkey. As a result you get technicians / laborers forcing themselves to get computer science degrees.

 

[polarmystery]

Not that I object, but if we kicked out all the students such as the type schneigerguy generalized then we still wouldn't be rid of the fact that the incentive for learning those skills does not provide immediate satisfaction. Which I think, by and large the people of the United States crave. Furthermore, those that DO stay in academia and get a high education will feel entitled to a higher income, which is another problem we have.

 

[Doppel]

More important than ever, obviously. Just don't go thinking that $80k in debt and a B- in sociology is going to have you working anywhere better than Starbucks. It won't, and you should have known that before getting the degree.

 

[Doppel]

hmmm. This would be a very old school way of thinking. I would argue that for the majority yes they need to get a degree in a very rigid marketable skill but some have passion and determination a arts degree with tech mix can create a very powerful individual. Creativity is an elusive beast and the only way you can be sure someone will survive into the unknown future is to give them that ability to be creative. Unfortunately our schools train the creativity out of people.

The person you describe exists more on message forums than in the real world.

 

[JSt0rm]

The person you describe exists more on message forums than in the real world.

Thats a shame. I think most leaders with vision fall into this category. Those snakes on wallstreet dont count. Also i think your geographic location has a lot to do with how many of these people you see in your daily life. Most of them dont want to live in dead and dieing middle America.

 

[Fenixgoon]

depends on whether you study for a job in demand (doctor, science/math/etc.) or if you become on of the billions studying business, psych, etc.