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IS E3110 okay to get instead of E8400 ?

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Frenchbenton

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I went into Central Computers looking to buy an E8400 CPU, but they were out of it. A salesperson suggested an E3110. The only thing is that it is a Xeon. They said it is pretty similar, but I am not sure if they are saying that just because they don't have an E8400 CPU. They have the E3110 for $215 which from my research seems to be pretty good, but as I said before I'm kind of wary putting a Xeon server in a regular desktop. Can anyone tell me if it is okay to get the E3110 or should I just wait for the E8400. By the way, does anyone know when the E8400 is coming out again?
 
It's the same exact chip. No real difference other than "Xeon are designed for more mission critical applications and go through more rigorous testing and are binned higher" or so they say.
 
Yeah, rumor has it that they're higher quality silicon (translates into better signal to noise and lower vcores to hit a given o/c values). All that is just hear-say though just like what nerp said. You probably can't go wrong.
 
Originally posted by: nerp
and are binned higher" or so they say.
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I keep seeing this all over the internet but never any proof other than pure speculation on the part of people. I'm not faulting you, i've read the same thing over and over i'm just trying to figure out if there's any truth to this? From what i've seen in OC results from people on other forums, the Xeons are actually exactly the same binned at best.
 
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: nerp
and are binned higher" or so they say.
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I keep seeing this all over the internet but never any proof other than pure speculation on the part of people. I'm not faulting you, i've read the same thing over and over i'm just trying to figure out if there's any truth to this? From what i've seen in OC results from people on other forums, the Xeons are actually exactly the same binned at best.
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Yeah, I quoted it and said "or so they say" to refer to this "perception" out there. I, likewise, have never seen/heard any conclusive evidence that this is the case, but felt it was fair to mention it since the OP might find this claim insisted upon on other forums.

I guess I could have been more clear, I sometimes have a tendency to use doublespeak.
 
Originally posted by: graysky
Yeah, rumor has it that they're higher quality silicon (translates into better signal to noise and lower vcores to hit a given o/c values). All that is just hear-say though just like what nerp said. You probably can't go wrong.
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yeah..."rumor has it" is the key phrase

If someone has documentation from Intel that says their socket 775 xeons are any different than their sockeet 775 desktop CPUs I wish they would post it as I am sick of hearing about how many differences there may or may not be between the two.

 
no, don't think there's any hard evidence supporting them been better OCers. Just rumors. From the look of things they are the same thing.
 
Originally posted by: sofarfrome
Originally posted by: graysky
Yeah, rumor has it that they're higher quality silicon (translates into better signal to noise and lower vcores to hit a given o/c values). All that is just hear-say though just like what nerp said. You probably can't go wrong.
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yeah..."rumor has it" is the key phrase

If someone has documentation from Intel that says their socket 775 xeons are any different than their sockeet 775 desktop CPUs I wish they would post it as I am sick of hearing about how many differences there may or may not be between the two.
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Here we go again. This is a reply to another poster in a different thread so don't be offended or anything guys:
"Intel's own page for SLAPL says you could get a E8400@1.36v. Their page for SLAPM says worst you will get is 1.225v for E3110. I call that better binning. Unless you're telling me lower volts is worse? and runs hotter? There's a reason why server chips have lower volts. It's HEAT. They have to survive in a 1u/2u rack 24/7. Your desktop chip with higher volts would just crash or die with a server's heat profile. Can you get a bad server chip? Sure but I'll take a bet every day that I'll get a chip that will run with the same mhz as a desktop with less volts. I'll win more than I lose. The worst you can get is 1.225! IF you'd like the links:
http://processorfinder.intel.c...tails.aspx?sSpec=SLAPL
http://processorfinder.intel.c...tails.aspx?sSpec=SLAPM "

NOTE: this does NOT mean they will OC further to me. Just that if say, 2 people have one of each of these chips, and try to hit say, 4ghz, the guy with the xeon will probably do it with less volts than the E8400 guy. Always? NO. More often than not? yes.
 
Originally posted by: Frenchbenton
I went into Central Computers looking to buy an E8400 CPU, but they were out of it. A salesperson suggested an E3110. The only thing is that it is a Xeon. They said it is pretty similar, but I am not sure if they are saying that just because they don't have an E8400 CPU. They have the E3110 for $215 which from my research seems to be pretty good, but as I said before I'm kind of wary putting a Xeon server in a regular desktop. Can anyone tell me if it is okay to get the E3110 or should I just wait for the E8400. By the way, does anyone know when the E8400 is coming out again?
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In case you haven't been to the hot deaql forum today: Intel Boxed Core 2 Duo Processor E8400 $199 in stock at Micorcenter.com
 
By "any different" I mean from an operational and overclocking perspective. Because someone can reach 4GHz with lower voltage has NOTHING to do with whether the chip is a desktop or server chip. It has EVERYTHING to do with batch/FPO#.

The CPU may be rated for different highend vcore and it ma have different prefetchers but again, "may have" is still just a guess. Certainly there seems to be some small differences based on the spec sheets but from a functional and overclocking perspective there seems to be no difference and telling people that they are "binned" differently is still not proven by anyone. It is all speculation.
 
Originally posted by: MysticMan1
Originally posted by: Frenchbenton
I went into Central Computers looking to buy an E8400 CPU, but they were out of it. A salesperson suggested an E3110. The only thing is that it is a Xeon. They said it is pretty similar, but I am not sure if they are saying that just because they don't have an E8400 CPU. They have the E3110 for $215 which from my research seems to be pretty good, but as I said before I'm kind of wary putting a Xeon server in a regular desktop. Can anyone tell me if it is okay to get the E3110 or should I just wait for the E8400. By the way, does anyone know when the E8400 is coming out again?
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In case you haven't been to the hot deaql forum today: Intel Boxed Core 2 Duo Processor E8400 $199 in stock at Micorcenter.com
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Ordered an E 8400 from Microcenter yesterday and got an email today "backordered"....
 
So, I never believed the industrial thing, until I talked with guys at work about them trying the retail harddrives in our server systems and having them all fail.

Flash chips too, gotta get the industrial stuff because the retail isn't built to run at 70C 24/7. Works out cheaper to get the industrial flash than to redesign everything for a fan + better airflow.
 
Originally posted by: covert24
Originally posted by: TheJian
IF you'd like the links:
http://processorfinder.intel.c...tails.aspx?sSpec=SLAPL
http://processorfinder.intel.c...tails.aspx?sSpec=SLAPM "
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i would but having them work would be even better..
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I don't know why my links keep getting screwed up in here. But yeah, imbasic is correct.
http://processorfinder.intel.c...tails.aspx?sSpec=SLAPM
That friggin thing should work...LOL. Change last letter to L and paste it for the E8400. 🙂


THanks imbasic! Yours work! It's funny, I'll post like 3 links, tomshardware will work but in the same post xbit labs pukes. WTF? i'm confused...LOL.
 
Originally posted by: sofarfrome
By "any different" I mean from an operational and overclocking perspective. Because someone can reach 4GHz with lower voltage has NOTHING to do with whether the chip is a desktop or server chip. It has EVERYTHING to do with batch/FPO#.

The CPU may be rated for different highend vcore and it ma have different prefetchers but again, "may have" is still just a guess. Certainly there seems to be some small differences based on the spec sheets but from a functional and overclocking perspective there seems to be no difference and telling people that they are "binned" differently is still not proven by anyone. It is all speculation.
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However, if you get a chip that's 1.36v out of the box (as in the worst E8400 Intel produces from their own docs), and I get an 1.225v Xeon E3110 (worst I can get), I bet money I'll get to whatever speed we pick (you say 4ghz) with less volts! The odds are already in my favor, as I'm starting lower out of the gate at the same speed as you. Chances are fairly good I'd have the better chip to start with in this case (and many cases between these two chips). Why do you think they are NOT selling desktop versions to servers? Because they run hotter/more volts. Fairly simple deduction. Has been that way forever. Now if you want to talk batches between the same family OK. Agreed some might tend to be better. But I don't think so across families. Like between four specs of Xeon's maybe one is better on avg.

Is it speculation that I'll get a guaranteed voltage 1.225 or less? NO. IT's fact. The same can't be said of E8400. It's roll the dice, you could get 1.36 which would by most testing in the world mean you're going to be hotter out of the gate and call your chip crappy. Now how would you BIN a chip to find ONLY the ones BELOW 1.225v? I'd say you're picking the best ones (at least "better" ones) wouldn't you? I'm having a hard time understanding why you don't get this. I don't even get how you can say 1.22 vs. 1.36 is a "small" difference? Odd, that's a LOT of voltage in our little world here. I'm not saying batch has nothing to do with it. But logic tells us voltage out of the gate has a lot to do with your starting/ending temps. What kills your chip? Volts. Hmm...Guess I want lesser in most cases then right? I don't see too many people liking high voltage, they end up backing off for 24/7. Maybe I'm way off, but I like logic, and my odds. Spock kicked butt. 🙂
 
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