Is DVD burning a waste of time?

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krackato

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I'm going through my White Top Princos I bought a couple of months ago (maybe like 8 months, who knows). We were watching one of my movies and it skipped and then it wouldn't play. I tried to play later chapters and they wouldn't play. So I put it in my computer DVD-Rom. It still won't play. So I try to rip the data to my computer and it won't rip. I try another DVD-Rom. Same thing. I give up and throw away the disc.

I then toss in another movie. This time it skips and stops. I'm eventually able to get to the end of the movie by skipping a chapter (argh...) and then I toss the disc.

I then started ripping all my Princo discs to my computer. Luckily I only have about 20. So far I'm 3 for 5 successful with 2 of them refusing to rip. Argh.

I know Princo's aren't the best, and all I use now is Riteks, but I keep hearing people saying that their discs skip, won't play etc. Is it even worth it to backup to DVD-R?

More importantly, is DVD-R a suitable medium to backup data? I mean, losing a backup of Bruce Almight is one thing. Losing 4.35GB of important data is something else entirely. I'm talking about shooting DV video and saving the original captured files and the editing files to restore the original work if you ever need to tinker with your project in the future.
 
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krackato

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When did everyone go TY crazy? Everyone was all about the Riteks back when I started this.
 
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Carnage4

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Anything I burn to DVD usually works fine. Only dead discs I get are from software errors on computer's part. I use the cheapo brand from Shop4tech and burn at 1x every time. I've only seen the errors you're talking about when friends have burned DVD's at 4x or faster. Don't know why this is.

I'd say DVD-R is a decent medium for keeping important info. Anything can fail (HD's, tape, circular media) really. I'd just put important stuff on better brand discs :)
 
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dnuggett

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Originally posted by: krackato
When did everyone go TY crazy? Everyone was all about the Riteks back when I started this.
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So so true. I stacked up on the Riteks and bought the cheapies whenver I could go less than .25 a DVD awhile back. The Riteks have been great, but then again so have the Samsung 1Xers.

 
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CraigRT

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Cheap DVD's are not worth what you save, infact, generic DVD spindles are not even worth $1. I hate generic media, and will never buy it ever again.

And yes, for the same problem you are currently having.
 
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shinotenshi

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everyone who wanted quality was always for TY.
ritek were just cheap and usally got the job done. but if you wanted to ensure you were going to get the best burn quality, the choice was always TY.
 
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walkure

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I have burned 1000 TY CD-R discs (often the Fuji-branded ones... Sony also used to use TY's), and never any problems. TDK has also been solid. However, buy a spindle of generics or Imations, and you're lucky if 50% of the discs don't become coasters. I have no doubt that DVD-R burning is similar for these brands.

Also, not sure if they're making DVD-R discs (I assume yes), but Mitsui is also excellent media ($$).
 
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I don't know....ever occur to you, maybe just maybe your rig/ burner is the one to blame?

I back up lots of DVD movies...hell... it is now $18 a month. :p

I buy whatever is cheap...I meant dirt cheap DVD media.
Before I had DVDxCopy w/ Optorite..and it gives me lots error.

After I switch to DVDshrink and NEC....I am a happy camper!
 
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krackato

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I'm using an NEC 2500a 8x DVD Burner and using DVDShrink and DVD Decrypter to burn. I'm sure it's not my rig.

I never get coasters. I'm talking about DVD Rot. I'm talking about the fact that everytime I burn a movie, I don't immediately pop it into my DVD Player and check to make sure it plays 100%. I'm talking about burning a movie or data 6 months ago, and then finding out it skips or parts of it are unreadable.

Are you guys telling me that all of your DVD backups always works flawlessly months and years later?
 
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dnuggett

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Originally posted by: shinotenshi
yes all my TY movies are flawless, they also work in all xbox's and PS2. It's all in the media.
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Every Ritek that I have burned over 6 months ago works as good as new.
 
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shinotenshi

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I didn't say TY were the only ones of quality. OH and princo's are pretty much the absolute bottom of the barrel in terms to media quality, so you shouldnt be complaining, there is a reason they are that cheap.
 
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DJQuanta

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Well.... since I'm outside the US is not that easy to find good DVD media here, no Riteks, TYs, etc. So I have to stick with whatever cheap media I can find, the easiest to find here are Princo and Legacy.

Since getting my NEC 3500 one month ago I've burned around 15 DVD-R, Legacy Brand, 4X speed. So far not a single coaster, and although I haven't proof tested every DVD I've burned, I have used some of them to retrieve information I've backed up and they work fine. I've backed up three movies and they also work fine.

One thing I did after installing the burner was to update the firmware to the Modified 2.C8 version, which beside updating the burner with the latest writing strategies, also eliminates the Riplock and makes the burner region free (RPC1).

I haven't been able to find faster/better media yet (although the 12 minutes burning time of 4X is not that bad), and I don't have hopes for finding dual-layer media.

I use Nero for general data burning and DVDShrink+DVDecrypter+Nero for backing up movies.

BTW... the best site I've found for DVD Burners info and firmware is at the forums of CDRINFO: http://www.cdrinfo.com

 
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MustISO

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I've never had a problem with any DVD's but I've only been using good quality, name brand media. I just recently started using Ritek 8X media and haven't had any issues at all.
 
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Sunner

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I tend to go with Verbatim.
You'll always know where the media is made(Mitsubishi Chemical), and it's available pretty much everywhere, generally at humane prices.
 
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semo

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i recently started using verbatim and tdk (because they are cheaper now) but never heard of ty. are ty better or...
i've been using infiniti cds for quite a while now and they tend to fall apart after several months to a year (especially if they are not stored correctly)
anyway, i've stopped buying media because i'm waiting for lightscribe media and drives to come out
 
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Auric

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Verbatim is a subsidiary of Mitsubishi Chemical. Their DataLife Plus brand are always MKM (Mitsubishi Kagaku Media) made in Japan while others may be lesser quality sourced from Taiwan. Self-branded Taiyo Yuden are available in North America from rima and others (see froogle) but are most widely found branded as Fuji. However, if you don't do your research then it is a gamble and in any case the discs themselves are most often labelled (as opposed to blank) and they may only be cheaper with a rebate. Ritek is not particularly desirable. Also recommend videohelp and cdfreaks for research.
 
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shinotenshi

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I stand corrected. i knew if was either vertiabim or fuji. ritek's do suck, but princos like the op was using are even worse
 
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