Is DRM really that bad?

[Inspector Jihad]

Most let you use it on multiple computers and devices. they also let you copy it to cd. The only problem I see is the apple vs. rest argument cause it would be a pain to switch camps. But otherwise, whats really wrong with DRM? Without it, I think it just makes piracy easier

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Most let you use it on multiple computers and devices. they also let you copy it to cd. The only problem I see is the apple vs. rest argument cause it would be a pain to switch camps. But otherwise, whats really wrong with DRM? Without it, I think it just makes piracy easier

DRM has nothing to do with piracy. It all about control.

 

[suicidalpigeon]

piracy? orly?

 

[Triforceofcourage]

DRM is bad
/thread

 

[sniperruff]

my bet is, 90% or more of people here pirate, one way or another... software, music, games, TV shows... whatever. so DRM is bad.

personally i don't see the point of arguing whether it's good or bad. the record company (or software publisher) makes the products, so they have every right to put whatever crap they want on them. we as the consumer, can choose not to buy them if we want.

 

[bobdelt]

What happens when you buy a new computer? I got screwed by walmart's online music service's drm since they only allow their music to be downloaded to one computer. So once i upgraded, good bye music.

Sony's connect store isn't that bad, but they have a stupid format.

Alltunes.com, if they are breaking the law its not my fault.

 

[Triforceofcourage]

Originally posted by: sniperruff
my bet is, 90% or more of people here pirate, one way or another... software, music, games, TV shows... whatever. so DRM is bad.

personally i don't see the point of arguing whether it's good or bad. the record company (or software publisher) makes the products, so they have every right to put whatever crap they want on them. we as the consumer, can choose not to buy them if we want.

I for one don't pirate and purchase all of my music. I don't like the idea of being limited on how I can listen to my music. For example, if I buy an ipod I can't listen to WMA's. If I buy a Creative Labs player I can't use itunes. This is why I only buy actual CD's in the store.
DRM FTL!!!

 

[Goosemaster]

Due to the transferability of digital data, DRM was expected, but the extent to which it is implemented is what should be scrutinized rather than its use altogether.


Basically...stick to cds

 

[cirthix]

drm is evil

 

[SlitheryDee]

I think the main negative with many forms of DRM is that it limits the use of legally obtained media. So the companies that use DRM are making innocent customers pay for the actions of pirates. Isn't it true that you should be free to do whatever you want with the media you buy short of copying and selling or giving it away? Perhaps the reason this gets under my skin is that I don't feel as though I TRULY own something unless I can do what I please with it. If I can't then I don't own it, even though I may have paid a fair price for it.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
I think the main negative with many forms of DRM is that it limits the use of legally obtained media. So the companies that use DRM are making innocent customers pay for the actions of pirates. Isn't it true that you should be free to do whatever you want with the media you buy short of copying and selling or giving it away? Perhaps the reason this gets under my skin is that I don't feel as though I TRULY own something unless I can do what I please with it. If I can't then I don't own it, even though I may have paid a fair price for it.

then don't buy it.

Kind of sucks that you have to buy stuff with a TOS attached, but as long as those songs don't expire, it isn't that bad.

 

[thehstrybean]

If you have to ask, then yes...

 

[Baked]

It's bad if you're a pirate.

 

[Savarak]

i just got a 300gb harddrive and i've been meaning to, for a long long time, reinstall winxp or upgrade to xp64... but i can't just copy over the DRM encrypted music I have... i'd have to redownload the several gigs...

 

[mattpegher]

DRM doesn't discourage piracy it only limits those of us who try to stay within the law from using multiple devices. It may actually prevent some from downloading from legitimate sites, and thus encourage piracy.

 

[Rubycon]

If you can hear it, it can be copied.
If you can see it, it can be copied.

If it exists, it's probably fake. :laugh:

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Most let you use it on multiple computers and devices. they also let you copy it to cd. The only problem I see is the apple vs. rest argument cause it would be a pain to switch camps. But otherwise, whats really wrong with DRM? Without it, I think it just makes piracy easier

the problem is it's limited to how many computers/devices, oftentimes. why can't i use it how i see fit, period, so long as it's legal?

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Most let you use it on multiple computers and devices. they also let you copy it to cd. The only problem I see is the apple vs. rest argument cause it would be a pain to switch camps. But otherwise, whats really wrong with DRM? Without it, I think it just makes piracy easier

This post confirms that any post you've made on this forum with the intent to be taken seriously has just been nullified. Thank you.

 

[Shadowknight]

They've used a form of DRM on the hi-def version of T2 - the DVD of T2 had the normal res as the "main" movie, but to see the high-def version you had to install some proprietary software and get a license that would only last 90 days or so. (note: this was on a copy I got 3 years ago, not the special equipment hi-def stuff they're selling now) I legally obtained my copy, but I refused to go through this crap for something that I PAID for, so I haven't seen the hi-def version. I'll have to see if someone came up with a crack for this someday. Why? I don't like having people tell me what I can and can't do with something I paid for in my own apartment.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Shadowknight
They've used a form of DRM on the hi-def version of T2 - the DVD of T2 had the normal res as the "main" movie, but to see the high-def version you had to install some proprietary software and get a license that would only last 90 days or so. (note: this was on a copy I got 3 years ago, not the special equipment hi-def stuff they're selling now) I legally obtained my copy, but I refused to go through this crap for something that I PAID for, so I haven't seen the hi-def version. I'll have to see if someone came up with a crack for this someday. Why? I don't like having people tell me what I can and can't do with something I paid for in my own apartment.

1. they came up with a crack for it a LONG time ago.

2. the "priprietary software was just windows media player 10 and a license....

3. the whole limited viewing time thing was total BS though:|

<---his fvking 'BMW Films' DVD expired:|

 

[HardcoreRobot]

Originally posted by: mattpegher
DRM doesn't discourage piracy it only limits those of us who try to stay within the law from using multiple devices. It may actually prevent some from downloading from legitimate sites, and thus encourage piracy.

i would greatly prefer to dl my music than buy a cd, im just not happy with the drm options so i dont

 

[BigToque]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
I think the main negative with many forms of DRM is that it limits the use of legally obtained media. So the companies that use DRM are making innocent customers pay for the actions of pirates. Isn't it true that you should be free to do whatever you want with the media you buy short of copying and selling or giving it away? Perhaps the reason this gets under my skin is that I don't feel as though I TRULY own something unless I can do what I please with it. If I can't then I don't own it, even though I may have paid a fair price for it.

The thing is, you don't own the music. You own a licence that permits you to listen to the content in the format they have provided. Legally, you don't have the right to choose how you listen to that content.

That said, as far as I am morally concerned, if I've purchased a licence to listen to music or watch a movie, etc, I've also purchased the right to listen/watch it on any device I want, so long as I'm not letting others have access to the content as well.

 

[bersl2]

Originally posted by: BigToque

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
I think the main negative with many forms of DRM is that it limits the use of legally obtained media. So the companies that use DRM are making innocent customers pay for the actions of pirates. Isn't it true that you should be free to do whatever you want with the media you buy short of copying and selling or giving it away? Perhaps the reason this gets under my skin is that I don't feel as though I TRULY own something unless I can do what I please with it. If I can't then I don't own it, even though I may have paid a fair price for it.

The thing is, you don't own the music. You own a licence that permits you to listen to the content in the format they have provided. Legally, you don't have the right to choose how you listen to that content.

That said, as far as I am morally concerned, if I've purchased a licence to listen to music or watch a movie, etc, I've also purchased the right to listen/watch it on any device I want, so long as I'm not letting others have access to the content as well.

Exactly. If people truly understood copyright as asserted by Big Content, I don't think they would approve of it. I mean, we're talking about their culture. When in history has a people's culture ever been so legally restricted?

 

[middlehead]

Yes, DRM really is that bad.

 

[0roo0roo]

as said drm only affects consumers. pirates get drm free copies regardless. so effectively drm makes sure consumers have to buy an inferior product. sorta like the sony rootkit, its like goddamn, those people infected? your cd buying customers!!! pirates? no root kit for them! what a message to send, piracy is bad so we shall strike down our known paying customers!