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Is Debian that toxic ?

Elixer

Elixer

Lifer
What is it with the rash of resignations from Debian ?

https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/11/msg00174.html
If I have one regret from my 18 years in Debian, it's that when the
Debian constitution was originally proposed, despite seeing it as
dubious, I neglected to speak out against it. It's clear to me
now that it's a toxic document, that has slowly but surely led Debian
in very unhealthy directions.
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Seems we have at least 7 long time debian develoeprs / leaders signing off as well.

Is this the case of too many cooks in the kitchen, or is this a case of trying to tell the cooks what to do, even if they strongly disagree with the recent decisions made by the TC/GR "leaders" ?
 
Democracy run amuck, and a lot of [rubbish] surrounding systemd.

No profanity in the tech forums, please
-ViRGE
 
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I really don't get the systemd hate. I guess if Lennert Pottering hadn't made it, it wouldn't be a big deal.
 
TheRyuu said:
Sometimes I wonder if those objecting to it have actually used it.
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I think one of the issues people have is a lot of 3rd party programs are starting to depend on it, and that'll increase going forward. That can be a problem for other *nixs, and I think it could make the whole system more fragile. If everything depends on systemd, everything can go down if systemd fails. I'm not sure it's worth making a big deal over, but they are concerns.
 
lxskllr said:
I think one of the issues people have is a lot of 3rd party programs are starting to depend on it, and that'll increase going forward. That can be a problem for other *nixs, and I think it could make the whole system more fragile. If everything depends on systemd, everything can go down if systemd fails. I'm not sure it's worth making a big deal over, but they are concerns.
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Wouldn't Linux fail anyway if any other init system failed? :hmm:
 
Jodell88 said:
Wouldn't Linux fail anyway if any other init system failed? :hmm:
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sysvinit is basically just a bunch of scripts. If something goes wrong, one can script around it. systemd is a binary monolith. If it goes up(or goes in a direction people don't like), a fix is tougher to do.

I think systemd has a lot of potential to make using GNU/Linux easier for the end user, and for package maintainers developers, but makes it harder for an individual to modify a system it's installed on. IOW, it'll be pretty nice until it (maybe)isn't. I'm taking a wait/see approach. I'm not technically proficient enough to really weigh in on the technical merits, but I think if things stay on course, it'll be a net positive. Of course, that discounts the other *nixs. It's kind of nice being generally compatible with them. I don't like seeing Linux split from that.
 
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Elixer said:
Looks like a bunch of them teamed up and they forked debian now.
https://devuan.org/

Just what we need, more distros!
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Yea, good luck with that. It's a huge amount of work keeping a "regular" distro going, much less the behemoth Debian is. I predict it'll be nothing more than a hobby project for the lunatic fringe that fizzles out before five years pass.
 
lxskllr said:
Yea, good luck with that. It's a huge amount of work keeping a "regular" distro going, much less the behemoth Debian is. I predict it'll be nothing more than a hobby project for the lunatic fringe that fizzles out before five years pass.
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Lets hope not. I'm sure the same thing was said about Debian and look where it is now. Lunatic fringe....
 
bbhaag said:
Lets hope not. I'm sure the same thing was said about Debian and look where it is now. Lunatic fringe....
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When Debian started, they were solving the problem of there not being any well packaged GNU/Linux distros. I don't think 'systemd sucks!' holds the same gravitas.
 
EDIT:This post is fucked...I lost sight of what I was trying to say.
 
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