Is BUSH still considered having been AWOL?

[Ferocious]

It's been 2 1/2 years since this story broke out and was wondering whatever came of it.

I don't think it became a story for the mainstream media.



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[hoiky]

 

Interesting - and now he's sending hundreds of thousands of people who are a lot more hardcore than him into battle...

 

[tweakmm]

His dad had everything lined up, you don't have to follow your nose too far to find the truth

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: Ferocious
It's been 2 1/2 years since this story broke out and was wondering whatever came of it.

I don't think it became a story for the mainstream media.


You think maybe he and klinton were buddies back then?

 

[KC5AV]

The fact that John Kerry says he was AWOL means nothing. Big deal. If there were never charges brought against him, it all amounts the Kerry being full of hot air, and trying to make himself look better for the upcoming campaign season.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: KC5AV
The fact that John Kerry says he was AWOL means nothing. Big deal. If there were never charges brought against him, it all amounts the Kerry being full of hot air, and trying to make himself look better for the upcoming campaign season.

So, you claim if Kerry did it, it is alright for Bush too. Hmm



Edit- Since you and no one else brought up Kerry, why dont you compare Kerry's and Bushes military service record in full?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: KC5AV
The fact that John Kerry says he was AWOL means nothing. Big deal. If there were never charges brought against him, it all amounts the Kerry being full of hot air, and trying to make himself look better for the upcoming campaign season.

So, you claim if Kerry did it, it is alright for Bush too. Hmm



Edit- Since you and no one else brought up Kerry, why dont you compare Kerry's and Bushes military service record in full?

No, that's not what he's claiming, numbnuts. He's claiming that just because some guy has the balls to point fingers and say that Bush was AWOL at one time, doesn't mean that he was actually AWOL. Why don't YOU bring the military service records to the table, then, hmm??

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: KC5AV
The fact that John Kerry says he was AWOL means nothing. Big deal. If there were never charges brought against him, it all amounts the Kerry being full of hot air, and trying to make himself look better for the upcoming campaign season.

So, you claim if Kerry did it, it is alright for Bush too. Hmm



Edit- Since you and no one else brought up Kerry, why dont you compare Kerry's and Bushes military service record in full?

No, that's not what he's claiming, numbnuts. He's claiming that just because some guy has the balls to point fingers and say that Bush was AWOL at one time, doesn't mean that he was actually AWOL. Why don't YOU bring the military service records to the table, then, hmm??

Because this was about Bush dickweed. Now do you feel better brain-of-a-flea? Kerry didnt go awol- good. A lot of guys on leave were out a few days more than they should, and that could get them AWOL status. I did misunderstand what he meant. Now as far as Bush, he was AWOL. For a long time. Check it out, but since you seem to want to be a smartass and hurl insults, I expect you not to, but come up with some snappy retort. I await in terror

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Await in terror, you feable minded ... meanie head!



I'm just sick of all the people trying to cut Bush down to size instead of either supporting him or leaving him alone. I'll go back to sipping my juice now.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

 

[AvesPKS]

My Poli-Sci Prof. told me he was AWOL while in the National Guard.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Now... we're talking real AWOL, right? AWOL is only assigned after 30 consecutive days of no-show. Are we talking real AWOL or just gone for the weekend or something?

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Await in terror, you feable minded ... meanie head!



I'm just sick of all the people trying to cut Bush down to size instead of either supporting him or leaving him alone. I'll go back to sipping my juice now.

I thought you left. I'd like to say right now that I hate you. Just remember that whenever you see my posts to save me the trouble of having to say it again.

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: AvesPKS
My Poli-Sci Prof. told me he was AWOL while in the National Guard.

Another knowledgeable source.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Await in terror, you feable minded ... meanie head!



I'm just sick of all the people trying to cut Bush down to size instead of either supporting him or leaving him alone. I'll go back to sipping my juice now.

I thought you left. I'd like to say right now that I hate you. Just remember that whenever you see my posts to save me the trouble of having to say it again.

You hate me? Haha - you're not the first. And you won't be the last. Grow up and you might even learn a thing or two.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Await in terror, you feable minded ... meanie head!



I'm just sick of all the people trying to cut Bush down to size instead of either supporting him or leaving him alone. I'll go back to sipping my juice now.

hey i didn't see you complaining when people were attacking clinton

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Await in terror, you feable minded ... meanie head!



I'm just sick of all the people trying to cut Bush down to size instead of either supporting him or leaving him alone. I'll go back to sipping my juice now.

hey i didn't see you complaining when people were attacking clinton

The only time I even spoke of Clinton was when there was an ongoing conversation about him. Then I spoke my mind and presented the issues. I never raised a stink because of the asshole --err, I mean guy.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Await in terror, you feable minded ... meanie head!



I'm just sick of all the people trying to cut Bush down to size instead of either supporting him or leaving him alone. I'll go back to sipping my juice now.

hey i didn't see you complaining when people were attacking clinton

The only time I even spoke of Clinton was when there was an ongoing conversation about him. Then I spoke my mind and presented the issues. I never raised a stink because of the asshole --err, I mean guy.

yea but you weren't complaining either, like you are now it's only fair to let people converse about bush.

 

[AvesPKS]

Originally posted by: woodie1

Originally posted by: AvesPKS
My Poli-Sci Prof. told me he was AWOL while in the National Guard.

Another knowledgeable source.

Internet anonyminity aside...I don't think he would deliberately lie...and I wouldn't deliberately misrepresent him.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Await in terror, you feable minded ... meanie head!



I'm just sick of all the people trying to cut Bush down to size instead of either supporting him or leaving him alone. I'll go back to sipping my juice now.

hey i didn't see you complaining when people were attacking clinton

The only time I even spoke of Clinton was when there was an ongoing conversation about him. Then I spoke my mind and presented the issues. I never raised a stink because of the asshole --err, I mean guy.

yea but you weren't complaining either, like you are now it's only fair to let people converse about bush.

Yup. It is. And it's also only fair to let me be a hypocrite and bitch at the people who bash Bush.

 

[gopunk]

Yup. It is. And it's also only fair to let me be a hypocrite and bitch at the people who bash Bush.

hahaha fair enough...

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: KC5AV
The fact that John Kerry says he was AWOL means nothing. Big deal. If there were never charges brought against him, it all amounts the Kerry being full of hot air, and trying to make himself look better for the upcoming campaign season.

So, you claim if Kerry did it, it is alright for Bush too. Hmm



Edit- Since you and no one else brought up Kerry, why dont you compare Kerry's and Bushes military service record in full?

No, that's not what he's claiming, numbnuts. He's claiming that just because some guy has the balls to point fingers and say that Bush was AWOL at one time, doesn't mean that he was actually AWOL. Why don't YOU bring the military service records to the table, then, hmm??

Actually his Officer Effectiveness Report (or at least a document that purports to be that) is available here and here. I do NOT assume this is what it claims to be, though it is consistent with other reports of his failure to participate in required drills. Any officer will tell you that it is considered a major criticism when a rater leaves any white space on an OPR (the successor to the Officer Effectiveness Report), so it is pretty clear the rater here intended to send a message about then-Lt Bush's service, over and above the fact that his performance is shown as "not observed" during the rating period (assuming, again, that this is a genuine document).

None of this necessarily means he was AWOL - he was certainly never charged as such - but it creates the appearance that he was retroactively given a PCA and change in AFSC to account for his nonappearance at his assigned duty station. Tough to tell. By that time, George H.W. Bush was the Chairman of the Republican National Committee, fresh off a two-year rotation as the U.S. Ambassador to the UN, and after serving two terms in Congress. It is not inconceivable that the powers that be in DoD were motivated to protect George W. Bush from getting in trouble for failing to serve as required (though this is sheer speculation). There is no intent requirement for AWOL, which is one of the easiest offenses to prove - all it takes is that you were not present for duty, and were not on leave. I honestly have no idea if he was AWOL or not.

I am not criticizing President Bush, who I sincerely respect, but in all fairness his military record is not exactly comparable to that of a Medal of Honor winner. I think this is an interesting (if unfortunate) tactic on the part of Bob Kerry, but it is hard to dispute Kerry's military credentials - surely he, as much as any other person alive, is in a position to credibly make this criticism.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: KC5AV
The fact that John Kerry says he was AWOL means nothing. Big deal. If there were never charges brought against him, it all amounts the Kerry being full of hot air, and trying to make himself look better for the upcoming campaign season.

So, you claim if Kerry did it, it is alright for Bush too. Hmm



Edit- Since you and no one else brought up Kerry, why dont you compare Kerry's and Bushes military service record in full?

No, that's not what he's claiming, numbnuts. He's claiming that just because some guy has the balls to point fingers and say that Bush was AWOL at one time, doesn't mean that he was actually AWOL. Why don't YOU bring the military service records to the table, then, hmm??

Actually his Officer Effectiveness Report (or at least a document that purports to be that) is available here and here. I do NOT assume this is what it claims to be, though it is consistent with other reports of his failure to participate in required drills. Any officer will tell you that it is considered a major criticism when a rater leaves any white space on an OPR (the successor to the Officer Effectiveness Report), so it is pretty clear the rater here intended to send a message about then-Lt Bush's service, over and above the fact that his performance is shown as "not observed" during the rating period (assuming, again, that this is a genuine document).

I am not criticizing President Bush, who I sincerely respect, but in all fairness his military record is not exactly comparable to that of a Medal of Honor winner. I think this is an interesting (if unfortunate) tactic on the part of Bob Kerry, but it is hard to dispute Kerry's military credentials - surely he, as much as any other person alive, is in a position to credibly make this criticism.

There's a reason that the Medal of Honor isn't awarded to just anyone. If Bush was a slacker in the service, so be it. But was he officially AWOL like all the Bush-bashers so eagerly claim???


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