A very intelligent first post.believe this is the first time in American history that a Vice President made more decisions than the president. I believe the pair (Cheney and Bush) was a premade package deal that had been formulated to position Cheney with power. They would have attached Bush to the ballot only for his relation to his father, because no one would vote for Cheney if he himself ran. It is well known that Cheney is far too corrupt and this post does not surprise me. Bush is a tool of the right wing Republican party and isn't fit to make decisions himself.
Wow - you joined up just to spout that conspiracy drivel?Originally posted by: Igottaknife
I believe this is the first time in American history that a Vice President made more decisions than the president. I believe the pair (Cheney and Bush) was a premade package deal that had been formulated to position Cheney with power. They would have attached Bush to the ballot only for his relation to his father, because no one would vote for Cheney if he himself ran. It is well known that Cheney is far too corrupt and this post does not surprise me. Bush is a tool of the right wing Republican party and isn't fit to make decisions himself.
Well Powell got caught up in the War mongering, too. What's the secret story there?Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
Yes. Some poeple say Bush is basicly a good man who wants to do the right thing, and I would agree with them. But Bush isn't exactly smart and is surrounded by all these Machiavellian types, so its easy to see how they manipulate him.
There was an article in Time a long time ago (I think it was before the axis of evil thing) about how Powel doesn't have a strong voice in the cabinet, so my guess would be that his voice was drowned out. Of course, once the decision was made, what could he do other than agree with the official line?Originally posted by: JellyBaby
Well Powell got caught up in the War mongering, too. What's the secret story there?Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
Yes. Some poeple say Bush is basicly a good man who wants to do the right thing, and I would agree with them. But Bush isn't exactly smart and is surrounded by all these Machiavellian types, so its easy to see how they manipulate him.
Ladies and gentlemen....welcome Ramsey CLark to ATOT.Originally posted by: Igottaknife
I believe this is the first time in American history that a Vice President made more decisions than the president. I believe the pair (Cheney and Bush) was a premade package deal that had been formulated to position Cheney with power. They would have attached Bush to the ballot only for his relation to his father, because no one would vote for Cheney if he himself ran. It is well known that Cheney is far too corrupt and this post does not surprise me. Bush is a tool of the right wing Republican party and isn't fit to make decisions himself.
ROFL!Originally posted by: shinerburke
]Originally posted by: Igottaknife
I believe this is the first time in American history that a Vice President made more decisions than the president. I believe the pair (Cheney and Bush) was a premade package deal that had been formulated to position Cheney with power. They would have attached Bush to the ballot only for his relation to his father, because no one would vote for Cheney if he himself ran. It is well known that Cheney is far too corrupt and this post does not surprise me. Bush is a tool of the right wing Republican party and isn't fit to make decisions himself.
Ladies and gentlemen....welcome Ramsey CLark to ATOT.
Bush is very intellegent. And chose his staff consistant with his philosophy. Dr. Rice is a hawk, Wolfie is an ultra hawk and Bush the younger is somewhere in between. Bush, im certain-but without first hand knowledge, calls the shots... it is inherent with his educational persuits (MBA) Bush the elder had the same folks in general advising him... wolfie etc. but he didn't buy all of it. I agree with the basic premise of your post, though. In that, we are where we are and the debate at the white house was not frought with disagreement... me thinks.Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
Yes. Some poeple say Bush is basicly a good man who wants to do the right thing, and I would agree with them. But Bush isn't exactly smart and is surrounded by all these Machiavellian types, so its easy to see how they manipulate him.
Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Bush is intellectually marginal. He surrounded himself with advisors of a particular philosophy that advocated this kind of thing from way back. Well, a President cannot afford to have people who do not agree with him. Unfortunately no one who disagreed was permitted to be heard, and the administration was woefully unprepared to listen. Pretty much it seems they drew a conclusion and were not about to be confused with facts. So be it.
Clinton did what was best for Clinton.Originally posted by: HJD1
Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Bush is intellectually marginal. He surrounded himself with advisors of a particular philosophy that advocated this kind of thing from way back. Well, a President cannot afford to have people who do not agree with him. Unfortunately no one who disagreed was permitted to be heard, and the administration was woefully unprepared to listen. Pretty much it seems they drew a conclusion and were not about to be confused with facts. So be it.
Iwould agree that he is no Clinton and the opposition to the Iraqi issue was muted with some wimpers from State... Gee, given that we are were we are one can presume the meetings at his ranch before the election may have been to set forth the conclusion you speak of and not to prepare for the Gore debate.. I wonder...
have any facts of your own or are you just spouting off?Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Unfortunately no one who disagreed was permitted to be heard, and the administration was woefully unprepared to listen. Pretty much it seems they drew a conclusion and were not about to be confused with facts. So be it.
Why, yes I do.Originally posted by: ElFenix
have any facts of your own or are you just spouting off?Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Unfortunately no one who disagreed was permitted to be heard, and the administration was woefully unprepared to listen. Pretty much it seems they drew a conclusion and were not about to be confused with facts. So be it.