Is Bin Laden really dead or was it a hoax?

[Scotteq]

Guess again. Go look at the form again. His NATIONALITY is partly AFRICAN and there was a place on the form for that. Therefore, His RACE isn't AFRICAN. If his mother was American, is his race American too, then? There is no such thing as an AMERICAN race. African-American or African referred to as a race was not used in 1960.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American

Ah - I should have known you were a fucking Birther.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Guess again. Go look at the form again. His NATIONALITY is partly AFRICAN and there was a place on the form for that. Therefore, His RACE isn't AFRICAN. If his mother was American, is his race American too, then? There is no such thing as an AMERICAN race. African-American or African referred to as a race was not used in 1960.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American

I'll give you credit for trying to turn an Osama deather thread into an Obama birther thread. That takes a special kind of.... something...

 

[SlickSnake]

Ah - I should have known you were a fucking Birther.

Ah - I should have known you were there in Hawaii 1961 to verify it yourself when he popped out.

If there wasn't an issue with his citizenship or the birth certificate(S), it wouldn't have been kept a secret prompting multiple lawsuits and spending millions to fight the lawsuits.

The political action committee 'Obama for America' paid $1,066,691.90 to the Perkins Coie law firm between Oct. 16, 2008 and March 30, 2009, to fight every request to release Obama's original birth records. [10] Partial listing of cases courtesy of WND.com [1]

• New Jersey attorney Mario Apuzzo has filed a case on behalf of Charles Kerchner and others alleging Congress did not properly ascertain that Obama is qualified to hold the office of President.

• Pennsylvania Democrat Philip Berg has three cases pending, including Berg vs. Obama in the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, a separate Berg vs. Obama which is under seal at the U.S. District Court level and Hollister vs. Soetoro a/k/a Obama, brought on behalf of a retired military member who could be facing recall to active duty by Obama. [11]

• Leo Donofrio of New Jersey filed a lawsuit claiming that Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court but denied a full hearing.

• Cort Wrotnowski filed suit against Connecticut's Secretary of State, making a similar argument to Donofrio's. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court, but was denied a full hearing.

• Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes headlines a list of people filing a suit in California, in a case handled by the United States Justice Foundation, that asks the secretary of state to refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office. The case is pending, and lawyers are seeking the public's support.

• Chicago attorney Andy Martin sought legal action requiring Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle to release Obama's vital statistics record. The case was dismissed by Hawaii Circuit Court Judge Bert Ayabe.

• Lt. Col. Donald Sullivan sought a temporary restraining order to stop the Electoral College vote in North Carolina until Barack Obama's eligibility could be confirmed, alleging doubt about Obama's citizenship. His case was denied.

• In Ohio, David M. Neal sued to force the secretary of state to request documents from the Federal Elections Commission, the Democratic National Committee, the Ohio Democratic Party and Obama to show the presidential candidate was born in Hawaii. The case was denied. [12]

• Also in Ohio, there was the Greenberg v. Brunner case which ended when the judge threatened to assess all case costs against the plaintiff. [13]

• In Washington state, Steven Marquis sued the secretary of state seeking a determination on Obama's citizenship. The case was denied.

• In Georgia, Rev. Tom Terry asked the state Supreme Court to authenticate Obama's birth certificate. His request for an injunction against Georgia's secretary of state was denied by Georgia Superior Court Judge Jerry W. Baxter.

• California attorney Orly Taitz has brought a case, Lightfoot vs. Bowen, on behalf of Gail Lightfoot, the vice presidential candidate on the ballot with Ron Paul, four electors and two registered voters. [14]

• In addition, other cases cited on the RightSideofLife blog as raising questions about Obama's eligibility:

• In Texas, Darrel Hunter vs. Obama later was dismissed.

• In Ohio, Gordon Stamper vs. U.S. later was dismissed. [15]

• In Texas, Brockhausen vs. Andrade.

• In Washington, L. Charles Cohen vs. Obama.

• In Hawaii, Keyes vs. Lingle, dismissed. [16]

http://www.conservapedia.com/Obama_birth_certificate_lawsuits

Why do you think he would have let it drag on this long and spent this much fighting it unless he had something to hide? Because they have to round up and destroy other conflicting records in the meantime, and that process takes time, even years, when the real documents you are looking for might be lost or out of order. You should know about that first hand from experience. 1960 documents aren't exactly on some handy hard drive you can easily find and erase, now are they?

 

[Scotteq]

So....


You're providing me with a comprehensive listing of cases the courts threw out... as proof of your claim??

Well - Thanks for the laugh, anyhow.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Ah - I should have known you were there in Hawaii 1961 to verify it yourself when he popped out.

If there wasn't an issue with his citizenship or the birth certificate(S), it wouldn't have been kept a secret prompting multiple lawsuits and spending millions to fight the lawsuits.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Obama_birth_certificate_lawsuits

Why do you think he would have let it drag on this long and spent this much fighting it unless he had something to hide? Because they have to round up and destroy other conflicting records in the meantime, and that process takes time, even years, when the real documents you are looking for might be lost or out of order. You should know about that first hand from experience. 1960 documents aren't exactly on some handy hard drive you can easily find and erase, now are they?

Yeah you cited some suits and a figure. Where's the tie in for both of them? Where's the cost breakdown to show that's what the expenses were for?

Did you know Palin has spent over 1.3 Million since her failed bid? What is SHE hiding?

 

[SlickSnake]

So....

You're providing me with a comprehensive listing of cases the courts threw out... as proof of your claim??

Well - Thanks for the laugh, anyhow.

Laugh? You got a spare million lying around to fight multiple cases when you can make it all go away just by showing the stupid birth certificate? You obviously missed the point of the post, oh wait, no you didn't. You were just pretending that you did. Are you always as dense as a piece of granite when someone makes an obvious factual point? Do you have a list handy about what you are supposed to hang out here and deny or do you just play it by ear? Do you get paid by the post, or by the hour?

 

[dank69]

Laugh? You got a spare million lying around to fight multiple cases when you can make it all go away just by showing the stupid birth certificate? You obviously missed the point of the post, oh wait, no you didn't. You were just pretending that you did. Are you always as dense as a piece of granite when someone makes an obvious factual point? Do you have a list handy about what you are supposed to hang out here and deny or do you just play it by ear? Do you get paid by the post, or by the hour?

Oh, look, he produced the long form and people are still crying 'fake!' SHOCKER

 

[SlickSnake]

Yeah you cited some suits and a figure. Where's the tie in for both of them? Where's the cost breakdown to show that's what the expenses were for?

Did you know Palin has spent over 1.3 Million since her failed bid? What is SHE hiding?

Did she spend it on multiple lawsuits hiding something? If not, not a relevant comparison at all. I thought she spent 1.3 million on fancy clothes, which she claimed she gave back, though.

 

[Scotteq]

Laugh? You got a spare million lying around to fight multiple cases when you can make it all go away just by showing the stupid birth certificate? You obviously missed the point of the post, oh wait, no you didn't. You were just pretending that you did. Are you always as dense as a piece of granite when someone makes an obvious factual point? Do you have a list handy about what you are supposed to hang out here and deny or do you just play it by ear? Do you get paid by the post, or by the hour?

Millions to fight cases?? Why spend even a dime, when the courts have consistently thrown your ignorant shit out before it hits the ground? The only cost involved is what you morons spent to file frivolous suits in the first place.


Newsflash: The ONLY thing you have proven is the persistence and willingness of groups of stupid people to throw away good money on a lost cause.


Here's a broken record for you to listen to, asshole:

DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Did she spend it on multiple lawsuits hiding something? If not, not a relevant comparison at all. I thought she spent 1.3 million on fancy clothes, which she claimed she gave back, though.

You can't prove what he spent on those suits and his campaign. How about you look into how many total legal matters his campaign had to pay for. I will give you a hint, have a look at the FEC challenges to his campaign financing.

 

[SlickSnake]

Oh, look, he produced the long form and people are still crying 'fake!' SHOCKER

So please give a RATIONAL explanation for WHY he spent millions in legal costs fighting to keep from publicly releasing it for YEARS? Why would he even want the controversy marring his image if it was all FALSE?

Obviously, he wouldn't hide it if it was a completely baseless claim he was not a citizen. So instead, he fanned the flames under the Birther rumor for years by denying it and hiding the proof he is a citizen. That makes absolutely no sense what so ever unless he is obviously hiding something. And if you are in politics, this is exactly the kind of partisan controversy you would want to avoid at all costs.

 

[Scotteq]

So please give a RATIONAL explanation for WHY he spent millions in legal costs fighting to keep from publicly releasing it for YEARS? Why would he even want the controversy marring his image if it was all FALSE?

Obviously, he wouldn't hide it if it was a completely baseless claim he was not a citizen. So instead, he fanned the flames under the Birther rumor for years by denying it and hiding the proof he is a citizen. That makes absolutely no sense what so ever unless he is obviously hiding something. And if you are in politics, this is exactly the kind of partisan controversy you would want to avoid at all costs.

That's the wrong question: Explain why THE BIRTHERS have spent millions trying to fight a battle the courts have consistently ruled against?

All you have is a long list of FAILURE.

And yet you cite your endless failures as proof you are somehow right?? WTF?? That's Delusional in the highest sense of the word.

 

[dank69]

So please give a RATIONAL explanation for WHY he spent millions in legal costs fighting to keep from publicly releasing it for YEARS? Why would he even want the controversy marring his image if it was all FALSE?

Obviously, he wouldn't hide it if it was a completely baseless claim he was not a citizen. So instead, he fanned the flames under the Birther rumor for years by denying it and hiding the proof he is a citizen. That makes absolutely no sense what so ever unless he is obviously hiding something. And if you are in politics, this is exactly the kind of partisan controversy you would want to avoid at all costs.

As soon as you prove to me that he spent that money.

 

[JimW1949]

So please give a RATIONAL explanation for WHY he spent millions in legal costs fighting to keep from publicly releasing it for YEARS? Why would he even want the controversy marring his image if it was all FALSE?

Obviously, he wouldn't hide it if it was a completely baseless claim he was not a citizen. So instead, he fanned the flames under the Birther rumor for years by denying it and hiding the proof he is a citizen. That makes absolutely no sense what so ever unless he is obviously hiding something. And if you are in politics, this is exactly the kind of partisan controversy you would want to avoid at all costs.

I think you are on to something here. I think we need to get to the bottom of this, and soon. I think you should take every dime you have, sell your house, your vehicles and all your possessions, and use the money to hire detectives to get to the bottom of this birth certificate issue. As the true blue upstanding American citizen that you are, it is your duty to do this. There comes a time when you have to put your money where your mouth is, and if you truly believed all the crap you are saying, you would do as I suggested. The ball is in your court. Let us know when you get to the bottom of it.

 

[SlickSnake]

Millions to fight cases?? Why spend even a dime, when the courts have consistently thrown your ignorant shit out before it hits the ground? The only cost involved is what you morons spent to file frivolous suits in the first place.


Newsflash: The ONLY thing you have proven is the persistence and willingness of groups of stupid people to throw away good money on a lost cause.


Here's a broken record for you to listen to, asshole:

DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED DISMISSED

So when you can't prove a point with rational thought, you resort to name calling and insults? Is that from your psy-ops handbook, or are you just playing it by ear again?

Just because a case is dismissed, even a similar one multiple times in multiple jurisdictions, does not mean it has no merit. A legitimate case can be dismissed for a variety of reasons, and many reasons might have nothing to do with the merit of the case itself. And if the birth certificate could not be found, or it was hidden, the case would automatically be dismissed for lack of proof, wouldn't it?

The fact he provided no birth certificate during the discovery phase at these cases would not make him ineligible to be president, in and of itself. The burden to prove he is ineligible would then fall to the plaintiff to prove he was ineligible, and without documentation, it would be impossible. So then the cases would have to be dismissed.

Is that so impossible for you to understand?

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

nm

 

[Scotteq]

So when you can't prove a point with rational thought, you resort to name calling and insults? Is that from your psy-ops handbook, or are you just playing it by ear again?

Just because a case is dismissed, even a similar one multiple times in multiple jurisdictions, does not mean it has no merit. A legitimate case can be dismissed for a variety of reasons, and many reasons might have nothing to do with the merit of the case itself. And if the birth certificate could not be found, or it was hidden, the case would automatically be dismissed for lack of proof, wouldn't it?

The fact he provided no birth certificate during the discovery phase at these cases would not make him ineligible to be president, in and of itself. The burden to prove he is ineligible would then fall to the plaintiff to prove he was ineligible, and without documentation, it would be impossible. So then the cases would have to be dismissed.

Is that so impossible for you to understand?

You are correct in that a case may be dismissed without prejudice, and may be filed again.

Having said that - (1) You have not shown where the dismissed cases have been successfully re~filed. And (2) You have thus far proven the record of the birthers with the courts is universally that of Failure. And (3) the birther cause has been tossed out of court in nearly as long as list of jurisdictions as there have been cases filed.

The evidence is very clear: You Birthers have no real case. If you did, you would have been able to successfully bring suit. But you have not. And the very fact you have FAILED to do so - and in a long list of Jurisdictions - cuts straight to the heart of the matter.

The only thing you have shown is that stupid people can be persistent.


By the way... Side 2 of the earlier record goes: DENIED DENIED DENIED DENIED DENIED DENIED DENIED DENIED DENIED DENIED DENIED DENIED

 

[Svnla]

If it was a hoax, all OBL needs to do is a tape like this.

"This is OBL, today is May xx of 2011 and I am still alive, biotches". That is it.

 

[SlickSnake]

If it was a hoax, all OBL needs to do is a tape like this.

"This is OBL, today is May xx of 2011 and I am still alive, biotches". That is it.

Hard to make a tape while being waterboarded in Gitmo.

 

[Abwx]

you resort to name calling and insults? Is that from your psy-ops handbook, or are you just playing it by ear again?

You made a good point about the way some people
"express" their opinion...

On the main matter, though, it seems to be another story..

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Oh, the irony. A thread about Corpsers has morphed into a thread about Birthers.

 

[sportage]

Dead or no?
Well a lot of Muslims over there seem pretty pissed. OBL hasn't shown at their local star bucks gathering since last Sunday morning.
BTW, I don't want to see the pictures. YOU don't want to see the pictures.
So how is it Christians believe in Christ when there are no pictures? Tweets? Facebook entries? And no wonder when some Christian think she or he see's the image of Christ on their toast, or the side of the barn, everyone goes nuts. <rolled eyes>

 

[Fern]

Please stop derailing this thread. No more birther stuff here.

TIA

Fern
Super Moderator

 

[Carmen813]

Deleted, sorry Fern just saw your post.

 

[fskimospy]

Ah - I should have known you were there in Hawaii 1961 to verify it yourself when he popped out.

If there wasn't an issue with his citizenship or the birth certificate(S), it wouldn't have been kept a secret prompting multiple lawsuits and spending millions to fight the lawsuits.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Obama_birth_certificate_lawsuits

Why do you think he would have let it drag on this long and spent this much fighting it unless he had something to hide? Because they have to round up and destroy other conflicting records in the meantime, and that process takes time, even years, when the real documents you are looking for might be lost or out of order. You should know about that first hand from experience. 1960 documents aren't exactly on some handy hard drive you can easily find and erase, now are they?

You just cited Conservapedia.

I personally recommend everyone read Conservapedia for their timely and incredibly accurate articles about...well... everything. For example: evolution. http://www.conservapedia.com/Evolution