Is Bin Laden really dead or was it a hoax?

[DominionSeraph]

Wow, I hope this is just further evidence that P&N merely selects for the bottom-of-the-barrel whack-jobs and not actually indicative of a cross-section of the populace. 'Cause the stupidity in this thread is overwhelming.

 

[Infohawk]

My Political Science teacher thinks it's a hoax. I wouldn't mind having one less final to take; can I make him lose his job?

That is pretty sad....

 

[Jaskalas]

Excuse me while I go puke.

What a grand old age of enlightenment we live in. Believers and deniers for each and every news item.

 

[Anarchist420]

I hate to break it to very ignorant, if not stupid people, but bin Laden's been dead for almost a full decade, ever since that right-handed imposter of Bin Laden said that Bin Laden did it. Bin Laden denied doing it three times, then all of a sudden he admits to it? Give me a damn break.

He had an enlarged heart, diabetes, and a messed up kidney, there is no way he could've survived in a cave.

You can't believe everything you hear--especially if it's from the government. And I feel sorry for people who believe what the government tells them and I also feel sorry for myself that I have to suffer for the ignorance of the majority of voters.

 

[Anarchist420]

"I stress that I have not carried out this act, which appears to have been carried out by individuals with their own motivation." ~Osama bin Laden 9/16/2001

Look at Osama bin Laden's quotes prior to the attacks as well. It's clear he was not behind the attacks. If anything, he was more representative of the Founding Principles than the vast majority of Presidents have been. Unlike the modern liberals/neocons, Thomas Jefferson would never give billions in aid to foreign savages.

 

[TheSlamma]

I hate to break it to very ignorant, if not stupid people, but bin Laden's been dead for almost a full decade, ever since that right-handed imposter of Bin Laden said that Bin Laden did it. Bin Laden denied doing it three times, then all of a sudden he admits to it? Give me a damn break.

He had an enlarged heart, diabetes, and a messed up kidney, there is no way he could've survived in a cave.

You can't believe everything you hear --especially if it's from the government. And I feel sorry for people who believe what the government tells them and I also feel sorry for myself that I have to suffer for the ignorance of the majority of voters.

But you chose to believe all this without witnessing it first hand that he had all these ailments. And now ironically you want us to just believe what we hear from you.

 

[piasabird]

How many muslim people have beards? How do we know who they killed? Bin Ladin had multiple wives and many children. If a close family member or cousin took over maybe even a genetic scan could not catch that. With all of the technology of hollywood, you would expect more people to be just a little more doubtful.

You can photoshop anything now adays, but everyone takes this hook line and sinker without any real proof.

 

[Nemesis 1]

There are basically three ways it could be a hoax.
1. He was already dead previously and they decided to make up a fake story about how they killed him now
2. He is actually in US custody and alive
3. He is not in US custody and alive

Now 1 just doesn't make much sense (though I guess possible). 2 would be kinda strange, why not say you have him alive if you got him?

And number 3 would be very dangerous for the US administration. All it takes is Bin Laden to make a video of himself with today's newspaper to prove that the US lied outright to the entire world. If he was alive, I'm sure he'd take that opportunity.

So either the story is correct or he is
1. Previously dead
2. In US custody
or
3. the US administration is incredibly stupid and told a very easy to disprove lie.


I'm going to have to go with the story being true.

1) Makes the best sense . Why because if already dead US didn't report it to keep the wars going . and arabs didn't report it for several reasons. Now that the US claims they got their man. The Arabs cann't give proof he died earlier as they pretty much kept the legend alive . I wonder how many people in the World think the USA are the gun runners and terrorist of the world. NOt many Americans thats for sure . But the world as a whole I would really like to see the TRUE world view.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

"I stress that I have not carried out this act, which appears to have been carried out by individuals with their own motivation." ~Osama bin Laden 9/16/2001

Look at Osama bin Laden's quotes prior to the attacks as well. It's clear he was not behind the attacks. If anything, he was more representative of the Founding Principles than the vast majority of Presidents have been. Unlike the modern liberals/neocons, Thomas Jefferson would never give billions in aid to foreign savages.

Do you REALLY put that kind of faith in the quotes of Osama bin Laden? Really? If Hitler said "Hey, I didn't do it." in history would you be quoting that as well?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Rational thought should /thread. If he's been dead for awhile what is the value of doing this now? Seriously what is the political value? Were this next summer or fall I'd be inclined to lend a very, very small bit of merit to the implication (not the actual belief). We are the age of Wikileaks afterall...

As for him still being alive.... well even those who loathe Obama can't think his administration would be stupid enough to not figure out that OBL would release a tape holding Monday's newspapers proclaiming his death and laughing hysterically.

 

[xj0hnx]

I hate to break it to very ignorant, if not stupid people, but bin Laden's been dead for almost a full decade, ever since that right-handed imposter of Bin Laden said that Bin Laden did it. Bin Laden denied doing it three times, then all of a sudden he admits to it? Give me a damn break.

He had an enlarged heart, diabetes, and a messed up kidney, there is no way he could've survived in a cave.

You can't believe everything you hear--especially if it's from the government. And I feel sorry for people who believe what the government tells them and I also feel sorry for myself that I have to suffer for the ignorance of the majority of voters.

And where exactly did you get the information that he "had an enlarged heart, diabetes, and a messed up kidney"? Also, he wasn't getting dialysis in a cave, he was living like a lot of high AQ, in mansions, in a city. The dude had a shit ton of money, getting doctors wasn't even an issue.

"I stress that I have not carried out this act, which appears to have been carried out by individuals with their own motivation." ~Osama bin Laden 9/16/2001

Look at Osama bin Laden's quotes prior to the attacks as well. It's clear he was not behind the attacks. If anything, he was more representative of the Founding Principles than the vast majority of Presidents have been. Unlike the modern liberals/neocons, Thomas Jefferson would never give billions in aid to foreign savages.

You are a sick, sick individual.

How many muslim people have beards? How do we know who they killed? Bin Ladin had multiple wives and many children. If a close family member or cousin took over maybe even a genetic scan could not catch that. With all of the technology of hollywood, you would expect more people to be just a little more doubtful.

You can photoshop anything now adays, but everyone takes this hook line and sinker without any real proof.

Do you think that a beard was how they identified the body? Seriously? Or that he could have had prosthetic on, or some shit to fool any commandos that just happened to raid him sometime?

 

[FuzzyBee]

I believe it is not a hoax.

There are a lot of things the government can do - see operation Northwood for false flag operations to let us attack Cuba for one - but I don't think this is one.

To make a point, I'd written but not posted a scenario where the Bush administration could have, when it would help an election, announce that they'd killed bin Laden in a massive bombing of a compound (as some in the government suggested Obama do). This might well buy them political help until the election - but when Osama did 'prove them wrong', they could say that it was a 'psychological warfare' ploy to draw him out and attempt to get info on his location.

IMO, this is real and happened basically as Obama said - with a remarkable amount of probably accurate detail coming out.

There may be some hidden or misinformation on details, but I think the basics are as stated.

This is both based on general government operation as well as Obama's 'style' of leadership, IMO.

(There is greater pressure to accuracy from the President's mouth, exceptions notwithstanding like Reagan or Bush's '16 words' about Iraq and nukes).

I wonder what percentage of Kraig's posts go off-topic to criticize Republicans. I'd bet it's pretty high. He must have a pretty big hard-on for Republicans.

Wait - he can't because he's *fair* ;D

LMAO.

 

[xj0hnx]

I wonder what percentage of Kraig's posts go off-topic to criticize Republicans. I'd bet it's pretty high. He must have a pretty big hard-on for Republicans.

Wait - he can't because he's *fair* ;D

LMAO.

99.99999% of them, the other .00001% are already about republicans.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

It never ceases to amaze me how many otherwize rational people have such distrust and distain for the government that they would rather believe some far fetched conspiracy theory than believe a straightforward well documented and substantiated claim by no less than or Commander in chief.

All I can say is if you hate and distrust our government and our president soo much GTFO and don't come back. As much as I loathed GWB and his policies if he would have come on national TV with the same announcement I wouldn't have questioned it for a second or required more proof than his word.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

A little more to pacify the conspirists.

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/05/04/147782.html

Senior Pakistani security officials said Osama bin Laden’s daughter had confirmed her father was captured alive and shot dead by the US Special Forces during the first few minutes of the operation carried out at the huge compound in Bilal Town, Abbottabad.

Or does this just mean his children are in on the whole thing too? I'm so confused at this point.

 

[dank69]

A little more to pacify the conspirists.

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/05/04/147782.html



Or does this just mean his children are in on the whole thing too? I'm so confused at this point.

I wonder, did he beg for his life?

 

[SlickSnake]

This just in! OSAMA found washed up on a beach near Pakistan! PROOF POSITIVE PICS included in post!!!!

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2162622

 

[SlickSnake]

It never ceases to amaze me how many otherwize rational people have such distrust and distain for the government that they would rather believe some far fetched conspiracy theory than believe a straightforward well documented and substantiated claim by no less than or Commander in chief.

All I can say is if you hate and distrust our government and our president soo much GTFO and don't come back. As much as I loathed GWB and his policies if he would have come on national TV with the same announcement I wouldn't have questioned it for a second or required more proof than his word.

I'm sure you believe the birth certificate is real too. Everyone black referred to their RACE as AFRICAN in 1961. Oh snap. No they didn't.

 

[SlickSnake]

My Political Science teacher thinks it's a hoax. I wouldn't mind having one less final to take; can I make him lose his job?

Ask him what the effect on his popularity will be after this announcement (closely following his birth certificate "disclosure") and how these 2 events might help him win the next election?

Next up: ETs ARE REAL and de goberment is heya to heyap yas!!!!!

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Haha I love P&N so much. I get probably more LOLs here than pretty much anywhere else.

 

[SlickSnake]

These 2 points are extremely relevant.

They would NOT want him dead, they would want intel from him. So they would NOT shoot him if unarmed just for threatening movements, ESPECIALLY if they trained for months just for his CAPTURE. So then we are supposed to believe this practiced CAPTURE turned suddenly into a quick execution with little provocation, instead? That's the part that's so UNBELIEVABLE about the entire story.

After all, they didn't need to train for months to attack the compound to simply kill him because he could escape again in the meantime. If killing him was the objective, they could just blow up the building and kill him the day they "discovered" he was there. Capturing him was the OBVIOUS military objective, killing him was NOT or they would have done it months ago.

Therefore: HE IS ALIVE. HE IS A PRISONER. THEY ARE INTERROGATING HIM.

All the rest of this story is just made up to pacify the raging crazies who followed him like a god and convince them he is dead and gone so they won't be protesting and come looking for him. But he might as well be dead, since nobody will ever hear from him again.

 

[dmcowen674]

5-4-2011

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden_obama_photos

Osama bin Laden death confirmed hoax

President Barack Obama says the White House will not release a photo of Osama bin Laden's body.

Obama made the remarks during an interview Wednesday with CBS' "60 Minutes."


The White House had been weighing the release of a photo, in part to offer proof that bin Laden was killed during a raid on his compound early Monday. However, officials had cautioned that the photo was gruesome and could be inflammatory.

 

[Scotteq]

It never ceases to amaze me how many otherwize rational people have such distrust and distain for the government that they would rather believe some far fetched conspiracy theory than believe a straightforward well documented and substantiated claim by no less than or Commander in chief.

All I can say is if you hate and distrust our government and our president soo much GTFO and don't come back. As much as I loathed GWB and his policies if he would have come on national TV with the same announcement I wouldn't have questioned it for a second or required more proof than his word.

If we should ever meet, I owe you the drink of your choice for this post.

 

[Scotteq]

I'm sure you believe the birth certificate is real too. Everyone black referred to their RACE as AFRICAN in 1961. Oh snap. No they didn't.

His father was African.

His Mother was American.

The Birth Certificate is therefore accurate.

 

[SlickSnake]

His father was African.

His Mother was American.

The Birth Certificate is therefore accurate.

Guess again. Go look at the form again. His NATIONALITY is partly AFRICAN and there was a place on the form for that. Therefore, His RACE isn't AFRICAN. If his mother was American, is his race American too, then? There is no such thing as an AMERICAN race. African-American or African referred to as a race was not used in 1960. So what if you were white and born in South Africa? Are you still an African as your RACE in 1960? No, you are not.

With the political consciousness that emerged from the political and social ferment of the late 1960s and early 1970s, blacks no longer approved of the term Negro. They believed it had suggestions of a moderate, accommodationist, even "Uncle Tom" connotation. In this period, a growing number of blacks in the United States, particularly African American youth, celebrated their blackness and their historical and cultural ties with the African continent. The Black Power movement defiantly embraced Black as a group identifier. It was a term social leaders themselves had repudiated only two decades earlier, but they proclaimed, "Black is beautiful".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American