Is BF3 gonna be our only hope to use our high end cards in the future?

badb0y

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I don't know about Microsoft but Sony made it clear that the PS3 is here for a 10 year life cycle meaning the next console from Sony will probably launch around 2014-2015 area, the PS3 will continue to be produced and sold until 2016 when they will probably stop production of it.
 

happy medium

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For some reason I was under the impression that new consoles were comming late 2012.
If we keep getting these stupid console ports, I may never need to upgrade to anything faster than a mid range 28nm card for the next 2 years.
 

Acanthus

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Grand Theft Auto 5.

Also, the Wii HD in 2012 will probably force the hands of MS and Sony to actually launch new hardware.
 

badb0y

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Grand Theft Auto 5.

Also, the Wii HD in 2012 will probably force the hands of MS and Sony to actually launch new hardware.
Probably not because in terms of graphics power the Wii is playing catch-up.
 
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Not all bad. The way it's looking I could literally use my current gaming rig for the next 3 years. It's been almost 2 years now with X-58 and if gaming isn't advancing any further I see no need to upgrade to sandy or ivy bridge.

I also bought a ps3 recently so if they decide to quit even giving us console ports (which it looks like that may happen eventually) I'll be set.
 

Acanthus

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Probably not because in terms of graphics power the Wii is playing catch-up.

Even if Nintendo pushes low-mid range hardware like they did with the Wii, it will be substantially faster than the now ancient 360 and PS3.

Think about it... Geforce 6800 vs a GTX550 Ti
 

n0x1ous

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Even if Nintendo pushes low-mid range hardware like they did with the Wii, it will be substantially faster than the now ancient 360 and PS3.

Think about it... Geforce 6800 vs a GTX550 Ti

I believe its the Geforce 7800 that the PS3 is based on, but your point still holds true regardless.
 

RussianSensation

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Bad news, SOny and Microsoft might be delaying there new consoles until 2014.

As has been mentioned, Sony has committed to a 10 year life for PS3. Since PS3 came out in 2006, 2014-2015 is probably a very reasonable estimate as the PS3 is at an approximate mid-point in its life. A normal console's life used to be 5-6 years. We should already have the next generation of consoles this year, but they are not even on the horizon. Since PS3 and Xbox360 continue to sell well, there is no incentive for the firms to rush their next generation of consoles. The consumers are largely responsible for this. None of my friends who own Xbox360 or PS3 want better graphics or the next generation of consoles. Normally, by this point in the console's life, its sales will have diminished enough that the firm is forced to update it with a newer console.....

Are we gonna get mostly crappy console port for a few more years?

Graphics wise, most likely. But innovative games like Portal 2 can still provide an outstanding gaming experience despite not looking like Crysis. Innovation and graphics are not necessarily the same thing. Although, if you are talking about having top-of-the-line graphics, then I am pretty certain that PC has hit a stagnation point a long time ago (I would say Crysis 1 is the highlight of PC graphical innovation and after that 4 years of marginal improvements). Even BF3 looks nothing special in terms of graphics -- what stands out are the destructible environments and EA sports character animations (but neither of these are PC exclusive features). Keep in mind BF series is very popular because it's fun to play, and not because it has top-of-the-line graphics.

I think this will hurt new gpu sales.

Desktop GPU sales will be hurting regardless since consumers are moving towards mobile gaming and mobile computing (all my friends would first consider buying the latest laptop, tablet, smartphone than upgrading their 3-5 year old desktop PC :(). Even if developers introduced games 10x as better looking, there is still a huge market for casual gamers who'd rather play Angry Birds for 99 cents. Mobile gaming (smartphones, tablets, facebook) is the new market threat for PC gaming (and even console gaming) and it's very real. It's becoming harder and harder to sell $50-60 games.

Superior graphics alone aren't enough of an innovation to entice a young/upcoming generation of gamers to think of the PC as their main gaming platform. They probably start out gaming on their iPod Touches, iPads, iPhones (and other smartphones), and eventually move to Nintendo 3DS and then consoles. Not to mention younger kids are much more interested in Apple products, which are notoriously horrible for promoting PC games. Therefore, the path towards PC gaming for a young person growing up isn't there anymore. The games themselves have to be innovative for someone to notice them. Also, the PC platform clearly lacks exclusives. Having 5 or more 'AAA' exclusive titles on the PC a year would go a long way towards revitalizing the PC gaming platform. We have to stop thinking about our generation and consider how the younger generations view the PC. 3D gaming should be a major innovation on the PC. But thus far it's simply too expensive.

If this is true we might see only a trickle of good inovated games that challenge our gpu's in the future.

I presume you are talking about graphics = innovation. It's going to be too costly for most developers to make the games look a lot better until PS4 and Xbox720 ship (but I would welcome someone take that risk and bring another "Crysis" experience between now and 2015).

Even if Nintendo pushes low-mid range hardware like they did with the Wii, it will be substantially faster than the now ancient 360 and PS3.

Think about it... Geforce 6800 vs a GTX550 Ti

PS3 uses a 7950 GT while Xbox 360 uses a slightly faster GPU. Not sure why you brought up the 6800 series. So far the rumors for Wii2's processor include a tri-core PowerPC CPU. That's nothing to write home about as that only matches or barely exceeds the Xbox 360's CPU. GPU wise, I could see something maybe as fast as a GTS 450. We really will need PS4 and Xbox next. Hopefully they will be DX12/13 compliant in 2015. If PS4 and Xbox720 ship in 2015 and they are only DX11 compliant, we will be in a pain of hurt for the next 10 years.
 
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darckhart

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Not only am I ticked off at the crappy console ports, I own PS3 and I'm ticked off at that too. HD system ... pah! While 720p is technically HD, that's like the "minimum requirements" on pc games... which we all know are worthless. 720p with no AA looks like crap. especially on a big screen. Unless I sit so far away as to make it like.... a dinky monitor!

BF3 vids look good... but until I see a gameplay trailer of a real game scenario, I'm still leery.
 

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"Still, the PC version will look the best if you have the hardware and graphics card to run it. Sources suggest that maybe only 5% to 7% of the PC players of Battlefield 3 will have the hardware capable of pushing the PC version to the max when Battlefield arrives this fall." - Source

hhehe I guess BF3 is the "can it play BF3?" coming of Crysis 2011. :) But the graphics don't WOW. Must be SSAO+DOF killer settings then. The textures in the 12-minute trailer don't inspire confidence.
 
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This will be an opportunity for PC gaming IF the dev studios want it. An opportunity to draw gamers back to it by producing high quality experiences they cannot get on dated console hardware. Showcasing the benefits of PC gaming is easy IF they want to do so. Problem is, most publishing houses (which dictate what gets funded at the dev studios) don't. Why innovate when they can sit back and use the same old engines for a few more years to eek every last dollar out of them. Bleh.
Of course if everyone goes out there and voices their interest in seeing exceptional PC games again by dropping the ~$50 on BF3, that would be a big sales data point helpful for the dev studios who are willing to push for funding more high-end PC games again. Just a thought.
 
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happy medium

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"Still, the PC version will look the best if you have the hardware and graphics card to run it. Sources suggest that maybe only 5% to 7% of the PC players of Battlefield 3 will have the hardware capable of pushing the PC version to the max when Battlefield arrives this fall." - Source

hhehe I guess BF3 is the coming of Crysis 2011. :)

So its probrobly safe to say if your system can run BF3 @ 1080p, at a good framerate, you will be set for a few years after as far as gpu's are concerned.
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"Still, the PC version will look the best if you have the hardware and graphics card to run it. Sources suggest that maybe only 5% to 7% of the PC players of Battlefield 3 will have the hardware capable of pushing the PC version to the max when Battlefield arrives this fall." - Source

hhehe I guess BF3 is the "can it play BF3?" coming of Crysis 2011. :) But the graphics don't WOW. Must be SSAO+DOF killer settings then. The textures in the 12-minute trailer don't inspire confidence.

How credible is fudzilla?
 

yacoub

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"Still, the PC version will look the best if you have the hardware and graphics card to run it. Sources suggest that maybe only 5% to 7% of the PC players of Battlefield 3 will have the hardware capable of pushing the PC version to the max when Battlefield arrives this fall." - Source

hhehe I guess BF3 is the "can it play BF3?" coming of Crysis 2011. :) But the graphics don't WOW. Must be SSAO+DOF killer settings then. The textures in the 12-minute trailer don't inspire confidence.

Considering as of just last month a survey of a good cross-section of gamers showed that only 5.6% were running DX11 systems, that's likely all it means: http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
Any DX11 optimizations or extra features are logically the "push it to the max" items.
Most likely it will be designed to run just fine and look great on the additional 56% that are running DX10 systems and even DX9 may still have good performance at the expense of pretty graphics, which is the normal and expected tradeoff. Plus in the interim 6-9 months, even more gamers will upgrade to systems running DX10 or DX11.
 

BladeVenom

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Even if Nintendo pushes low-mid range hardware like they did with the Wii, it will be substantially faster than the now ancient 360 and PS3.

Exactly. The 360 and PS3 are dinosaurs. It's not like Nintendo has to catch up by inventing the technology themselves, they will just buy a GPU designed by AMD or Nvidia.
 

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Have you guys looked at Brink's system requirements?

Minimum Specs Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz or equivalent
Memory: 2GB RAM
Graphics: NVIDIA 8800GS / ATI Radeon HD 2900 Pro or equivalent
OS: Windows XP(SP3)/Vista/Windows 7
Hard Drive: 8GB of free space


Recommended Specs
Processor: Intel Quad Core i5
Memory: 3GB RAM
Graphics: Nvidia GeForce GTX 460 / ATI Radeon™ HD 5850
OS: Windows XP(SP3)/Vista/Windows 7
Hard Drive: 8GB of free space


This is for an OpenGL game.. compare it to Crysis 2(LOL at highly recommended)


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I still think BF3 will be the most demanding game this year.. but I feel it is not the only one. I also think Rage will have high system requirements.
 
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bunnyfubbles

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Exactly. The 360 and PS3 are dinosaurs. It's not like Nintendo has to catch up by inventing the technology themselves, they will just buy a GPU designed by AMD or Nvidia.

if they stick with an IBM CPU like rumored and use an AMD GPU they'll likely be able to make the system backwards compatible with the Wii without too much trouble
 

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I am glad BF3 will support Windows XP, so far I've not found a single game which runs faster with Windows 7 than Windows XP lol ;)

I wish that Microsoft would make a version of Windows XP with DX11 so that we could get the best of both worlds.
Or that Linux and OpenGL were the standard gaming Operating System/Graphics Library.
 
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