Is apple false advertising or am I dumb?

[Tot]

Apple claims that files in a PC can be seamlessly copied, shared between a MAC and PC.

But when the last time I tried, I couldnt get a NTFS disc to be recognized by my friends MAC. Is there a tool for it?

If it is true, I am going to buy a Mac and sue them for it. Ops I cant do that since I already know.

Anyway, I trully want to know how to do it. Heck I think all ne wants to know. And btw I have google for it before and seems like all I could find is that people exclaiming NTFS is not going to be recognizable.

If you could lend me ur "incredible" googling skill, then it proves me to be dumb and dumber.

Confirmed I am average dumb

And with thanks to all who participated in this thread, the answers are pretty much below.

Special Thanks to all who replied in first five minutes.

ViRGE, Willoughbyva, CorporateRecreation, ISAslot, sk560, Moralpanic, jonmullen, Mith, Syringer and zCypher

 

[MithShrike]

Erm, maybe Apple should have an asterisk saying it can read FAT32?

 

[Syringer]

Well seeing as how you can't even read NTFS on a non-NT based OS you don't really make a good case.

 

[zCypher]

I guess they assume that it's pretty "given" that "PC" platform refers to systems running the FAT32 platform, not NTFS. I'm sure a tool to make this possible will be developed if there is demand enough, if it already hasn't been done.

 

[Looney]

An NTFS disc? You mean a hdd that is formatted to NTFS? Or have you somehow formatted a floppy or cdrw with ntfs? If it's the latter... i don't think that's possible.

 

[sk560]

which mac os was that?

 

[Tot]

Yeah its a portable HDD, hard disk drive, formatted in NTFS.


I dont recall what OS it is but I believe he had it for about 1 to 1and half years.

 

[ViRGE]

It depends on if they're talking about via a HD, or networking. OS X doesn't have NTFS support I believe, but it does support Samba as both a client and server, so it could share files in that maner. If we're talking physically, then the product Move2Mac would be able to take care of it. Maybe if you could tell us what kind of ad it was, so that I can double-check the claim?

 

[jonmullen]

Originally posted by: Syringer
Well seeing as how you can't even read NTFS on a non-NT based OS you don't really make a good case.

Reading NTFS is not the problem, linux has been able to do that for a while. Its just when you try to write to it form outside and NT OS it can really mess up the file system.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Tot
Yeah its a portable HDD, hard disk drive, formatted in NTFS.

Well, that's why. NTFS can only be read with NT systems. When they say fires can be seamless copied from one another, i think they meant network, floppies, or cds.

 

[ISAslot]

See here

 

[Tot]

Originally posted by: ViRGE
It depends on if they're talking about via a HD, or networking. OS X doesn't have NTFS support I believe, but it does support Samba as both a client and server, so it could share files in that maner. If we're talking physically, then the product Move2Mac would be able to take care of it. Maybe if you could tell us what kind of ad it was, so that I can double-check the claim?

Seeing how my friend doesnt have Move2Mac on hand when we needed it. Or maybe he does but didnt know that is what we need. But by using Move2Mac, would my original files be converted in to some Mac clover shaped type of file or will I still be able to bring it home and have my PC see it normally without flashing the finger at me?

 

[Tot]

Originally posted by: ISAslot
See here

Looks like then they do mention that they only mount Fat and Fat32, without mention of NTFS anywhere.

 

[Platypus]

It's possible to do it using Samba and the NTFS projects that are floating around in the linux world. Basically in the commercials they are referring to macs reading win32 discs, networking, etc. It's really just tricky advertising making people belive they can do more than they can.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Tot

Originally posted by: ViRGE
It depends on if they're talking about via a HD, or networking. OS X doesn't have NTFS support I believe, but it does support Samba as both a client and server, so it could share files in that maner. If we're talking physically, then the product Move2Mac would be able to take care of it. Maybe if you could tell us what kind of ad it was, so that I can double-check the claim?

Seeing how my friend doesnt have Move2Mac on hand when we needed it. Or maybe he does but didnt know that is what we need. But by using Move2Mac, would my original files be converted in to some Mac clover shaped type of file or will I still be able to bring it home and have my PC see it normally without flashing the finger at me?

Move2Mac is a combination of software and a hardware USB-to-USB connector that allows the stuff on the PC to get moved over to the Mac. It's sort of a one-way thing(you can't pull them back via the same method), but it doesn't do any file conversion, so the files are still fine. Most programs that have a Mac and PC version are bi-platform anyhow(Mac Office can read all PC Office, and PC Office 2000+ can read Mac, etc), so sharing is not an issue.

PS CorporateRecreation You don't need anything special in Samba to deal with NTFS. Turn on file sharing on the PC, then connect to it from the Mac; SMB is its own protocol(just like FTP), so the server takes care of everything

 

[Willoughbyva]

There is a difference between files and file system. I believe OSX can network with Windows fine, but reading an ntfs disk is probably problemmatic.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

In the extended text, it mentions only "FAT" and "FAT32" - mind you, all you'll likely see in 98% of the ads is "Seamlessly share switch.now PC and Mac files effortlessly with give.us.your.money minimal configuration!"

Also, try accessing an NTFS drive from an OS that didn't format it. Try deleting a few files. If your security isn't "Utter Ass" then you should just be denied - even read access.

- M4H