Is anyone else over the trump maelstorm?

[urvile]

I am not American so I have nothing invested in Trumps domestic policies. But I have reached a point where I am curious to see what the outcome of his stance on trade will be.

Particularly in regards to China. The US and the Trump administration have a lot of legitimate grievances. In particular the Chinese penchant for stealing intellectual property. If Trump can do something about that it will a) be a miracle and b) potentially very worthwhile to global trade in general.

He is like a bull in a china shop. However I don't think the Chinese will cave any time soon if at all but you never know.

The world's largest economy versus the world's second largest economy (that wants the crown) you have to admit that it is juicy.

 

[cytg111]

I am not American so I have nothing invested in Trumps domestic policies. But I have reached a point where I am curious to see what the outcome of his stance on trade will be.

Particularly in regards to China. The US and the Trump administration have a lot of legitimate grievances. In particular the Chinese penchant for stealing intellectual property. If Trump can do something about that it will a) be a miracle and b) potentially very worthwhile to global trade in general.

He is like a bull in a china shop. However I don't think the Chinese will cave any time soon if at all but you never know.

The world's largest economy versus the world's second largest economy (that wants the crown) you have to admit that it is juicy.

I dont know where you are from but if its any incarnation of a western democracy then you have everything riding on the current state of affairs of American politics..

 

[Viper1j]

I am not American so I have nothing invested in Trumps domestic policies. But I have reached a point where I am curious to see what the outcome of his stance on trade will be.

Particularly in regards to China. The US and the Trump administration have a lot of legitimate grievances. In particular the Chinese penchant for stealing intellectual property. If Trump can do something about that it will a) be a miracle and b) potentially very worthwhile to global trade in general.

He is like a bull in a china shop. However I don't think the Chinese will cave any time soon if at all but you never know.

The world's largest economy versus the world's second largest economy (that wants the crown) you have to admit that it is juicy.

I love it! The main people over here that are being hurt, are the very ones that voted for him. Hopefully they'll get a good enough spanking , after losing the farm that was in their family for the last 150 years, that their eyes will be wide open in 2020.

Or they could be like that kid in Oliver Twist, who when he was beaten by the Headmaster stated: "Thank you Sir, may I have another?"

 

[cytg111]

I love it! The main people over here that are being hurt, are the very ones that voted for him. Hopefully they'll get a good enough spanking , after losing the farm that was in their family for the last 150 years, that their eyes will be wide open in 2020.

Or they could be like that kid in Oliver Twist, who when he was beaten by the Headmaster stated: "Thank you Sir, may I have another?"

If you need a reference to what people are capable of in this context ill just toss up that terms like "suicide cult" exists in the public domain.(not trying to bring anyone down on a glorious friday)

 

[Billb2]

The depth of thought in Trump's policies is about equivalent to a bumper sticker..

 

[Viper1j]

WTF do you have against bumper stickers?

 

[boomerang]

I am not American so I have nothing invested in Trumps domestic policies. But I have reached a point where I am curious to see what the outcome of his stance on trade will be.

Particularly in regards to China. The US and the Trump administration have a lot of legitimate grievances. In particular the Chinese penchant for stealing intellectual property. If Trump can do something about that it will a) be a miracle and b) potentially very worthwhile to global trade in general.

He is like a bull in a china shop. However I don't think the Chinese will cave any time soon if at all but you never know.

The world's largest economy versus the world's second largest economy (that wants the crown) you have to admit that it is juicy.

If you're truly interested, read The Hundred-Year Marathon: China's Secret Strategy to Replace America as the Global Superpower

The author believes that it's probably too late to change the course of what China has been orchestrating but I believe that it's a good thing that we have a president willing to fight back. As I said, if you're truly interested in having an understanding of what has been going on and what is going on, this is a great book. This trade issues aren't even the tip of the iceberg more like a molecule of the iceberg.

 

[soulcougher73]

I love it! The main people over here that are being hurt, are the very ones that voted for him. Hopefully they'll get a good enough spanking , after losing the farm that was in their family for the last 150 years, that their eyes will be wide open in 2020.

Or they could be like that kid in Oliver Twist, who when he was beaten by the Headmaster stated: "Thank you Sir, may I have another?"

They have been voting against their best interests for generations.

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[Stokely]

Over? No. Energized to do what I can to combat it, yes. Even if that is just to vote and encourage others to do so.

I know a bit about Chinese people, my wife is from there and I get an inside look at their culture more than maybe many people. Certainly no expert! Trump is doing something very wrong: he's invoking the issue of "face", and the Chinese leaders WILL NOT back down once that happens. Trump is used to bluffing and folding (either by him or his opponent), this will not happen.

China does have a bunch to answer for, and it would be nice to get some compromise from them. They need us, we need them if we want both to prosper. This is the wrong way to go about it. I believe in practical solutions, and beating your chest and trying to scare them is going to hurt us way more than it will them in the long run.

 

[Fern]

I dont know where you are from but if its any incarnation of a western democracy then you have everything riding on the current state of affairs of American politics..

Why would that be?

Hell, I'm an American and I don't give much of a damn.

You sound like most Americans who hold an overstated view of our importance.

I've lived and worked in other countries; I didn't see any real effect we had on those countries.

Fern

 

[SteveGrabowski]

They have been voting against their best interests for generations.

Since i cant embed this or find another link: https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/7fb2c40e-2a8c-4754-8c6a-a6d62e20ec47

 

[Hugo Stiglitz]

Why would that be?

Hell, I'm an American and I don't give much of a damn.

You sound like most Americans who hold an overstated view of our importance.

I've lived and worked in other countries; I didn't see any real effect we had on those countries.

Fern

Probably because there’s a huge sweeping trend of illiberal democracies and Authoritarianism across the globe.

If we don’t fix our shit, expect more free societies to fall.

The purpose of the United States was to promote our values and preserve democracies. Trump has no interest in that. In fact he’s openly helping our enemies subvert democracies.

Trump is writing an updated version of the playbook for any would be dictator.

Yeah, Europe isn’t going to fall tomorrow but these huge cracks will have dire consequences later down the road.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Why would that be?

Hell, I'm an American and I don't give much of a damn.

You sound like most Americans who hold an overstated view of our importance.

I've lived and worked in other countries; I didn't see any real effect we had on those countries.

Fern

Excuse me for being long-winded but I had a few beers and this requires background. America's influence comes in forms you may not be considering.

America provides money, intelligence, and military support to its allies whether they be governments or rebels looking to overthrow governments. If you can further American interests in the geopolital realm, here's some guns and money lets do this.

If the white nationalists are established and in control here in America, the far right interests in other countries will be propped up by the United States. Maybe some folks here were not alive to live through some of this but America, especially the GOP, has no problem toppling governments and installing tyrants as long as they are our tyrants. Vietnam, Iran, Nicaragua, Afganistan muhjahideen, and so on. Even in the last Afgani war, we teamed up with a bunch of warlords no better than Al Qaeda.

Remember Ronald Reagan was sending munitions and cash in military planes to Nicaragua and the military brought back cocaine which they distributed among the black communities. Ollie North took a bullet for em on that one. The cash supplied the Contra rebels and allowed them to overthrow the admittedly brutal government. If America had aligned with the gov instead of the rebels, they would likely still be in charge today. As it were, this allowed us to keep the blacks under thumb here while installing a pro-America regime over a pro-commie regime in South America. Win Win for America.

However, all of that was a lot easier to swallow going up against communism and Russia's nukes. Nowadays what is it that America needs to fear? What used to be an idealogical war of democracy vs communism is now just racist whites vs non-whites. Immigrant has become the same as Communist.

As for Trump, just look at his stance in Africa and think about past CIA operations. I bet we have already sent military advisors, cash, and munitions down there. Probably been sending white supremacist groups all over the world arms and funding since he was in office.

 

[cytg111]

Why would that be?

Hell, I'm an American and I don't give much of a damn.

You sound like most Americans who hold an overstated view of our importance.

I've lived and worked in other countries; I didn't see any real effect we had on those countries.

Fern

And neither have I, before now. I see a clear and potent danger right in front of us, the fall of US democracy, The fall of NATO, the fall of the west as it were. I want my children and grandchildren to enjoy the same freedom that I do, that is when I go to the ballots my vote actually counts, its not some charade ala Putins Russia. If Putin flips you guys, he will come here next, maybe even backed by you.. wait that is allready happening isnt it? Railing on NATO, encouraging EU members to drop out?
I see a war going on and the battlefront is currently at Washington.
Be free to call me paranoid... But mind you I've never given a damn about politics. even geopolitics, before now. Putin is a warmonger and he is pitting us vs. each other.