is anyone else annoyed by this?

[loosbrew]

ok, i really dont want to turn this into a good/evil christian/anthiest god/devil thing...but im getting al ittle annoyed at all of this religion stuff going on. i mean a ntional day of prayer...i guess it not very specific, which is better, but i think that we should keep the religion aside untill we handle the more serious and dangerous reality of fighting this until its done! the spereation of church and state also come to mind wheni read or hear Bush talking about god and scriptures...and the like...

ok im not bringing this up to offend anyone, at this point people need thier whatevers to get by the way they know how, so dont think im trying to argue with anyones beliefs, so if you are offended, dont bother replying.


loosbrew

 

[Tauren]

At a time like this, people need something to believe. Obviously man has let man down and people turn to religion instead.

 

[loosbrew]

i understand that, but i would figure that oyur nations leaders would stray away from this very thing until we settled some more improtant issues.

loosbrew

 

[brxndxn]

Why are you so much against religion? Did you ever stop and wonder why you hate it so much?

You obviously do to be able to condemn it at a time like this.

 

[azazyel]

A moment of prayer, a moment of silence, a moment of meditation. All of these things allow people to reflect about what has happened and to hope for a peace that now seems unattainable.

 

[loosbrew]

show me where in any of my posts in this thread that i said i hated religion?
where in any of these posts in this thread did i say i didnt agree with people needing what they do at a time like this?

so now i ask you ....why is it OK for our leader and CNN to be focusing on religion to bring us through political strife?


again, if youre offended dont bother responding as im not asking to start a flame war on religions, i just dont understand why its a focus of the bush administration when its thier religion that got us here in the first place.

loosbrew

 

[Zwingle]

<< i just dont understand why its a focus of the bush administration when its thier religion that got us here in the first place. >>



I agree....and whatever happened to separation of chuch and state? It irks me when Bush ends his speeches with "And God bless America" He doesn't need to throw the religion thing out there.

 

[Capn]

Some of your are offended too easily. If I lived in a predominantly muslem country you wouldn't hear me crying everytime a politican said something about Allah.

 

[huanaku]

oyur nations leaders would stray away from this very thing until we s

whatever happened to separation of chuch and state

Our nations leaders are entitled to believe what they choose. Sometimes we forget the this country was founded by deeply religious people. Remember the groups seeking religious freedom away from europe? Remember most of the "founding fathers" being extremely religious and claiming divine intervention in many things? Remember the pledge of allegiance? "One nation under God." Remember what it says on all our money? "In God we Trust." ... could go on and on. Many people are religious and choose to demonstrate that at this time. Consider it a "day of mourning" of you don't like the "day of prayer" terminology.

 

[Nitemare]

A moment of silence or for prayer is not cramming religion down your throat. He can pray to his God and you can pray to your god and everybody is happy.

As for him ending his speeches in God bless America. It is his speech and it is him talking, he has every right to say what he wants.

Throughout history when people have been troubled or injured they have always turned to religion...be it Jesus, Allah, Re or whoever. Religion and faith can get people through hard times.

God Bless America
by Irving Berlin

God bless America, Land that I love.
Stand beside her, and guide her,
Thru the night with a light from above.

From the mountains, to the prairies,
To the oceans, white with foam-
God bless America! My home sweet home.

God bless America! My home sweet home.

 

[Jazar]

I'd say a moment of silence, contemplation, and prayer is exactly what this nation (US) needs right now, regardless of what you believe in. With vengance and hatred still fresh in our hearts due to recent events we could all benefit from taking a step back and remembering that we desire peace and justice, not revenge.

 

[Parrotheader]

<< i just dont understand why its a focus of the bush administration when its thier religion that got us here in the first place. >>



I realize that some people are offended when religion (or anything remotely religious such as even mentioning God) appears in a public or governmental venue, but how in the world did you come to the above conclusion? Is that just your personal dislike for Bush speaking or do you honestly believe his being a Chrisitan caused this entire situation? As far as I can tell, this attack had been planned for months (if not years) before Bush was even in office. I certainly respect your opinion and you're entitled to feel offended, but I personally think some people are just too sensitive about religion sometimes.

 

[loosbrew]

ok...i never said anyone was shoving anything down my throat!
yea...and when our country was founding we also hunted "witches" and drowned and burned them at stakes....thats civilized. :disgust:

what i am trying to say is that at this point in this situation, the people who need to be focusing on what matters, the political and tactical aspects of what we need to get done, shouldnt be having the media focusing on thier religion. i have nothing against Bush being whatever the f@ck he wants to be....so long as he keeps it out of the politics involved. but now, all i saw on CNN a few mins ago, was scripture versus that Bush spewed out, and a church surmon with a bunch of politicians there....now that may be thier way of coping, and so be it, but dont let it drive the reason we are in this for the long haul. its a matter of idiots who cant differentiate thier religions from humanity themselves.


loosbrew

 

[loosbrew]

also, im not offended by anything...i respect everyone for thier beliefs. i dont have to agree with anything, and its that very ideal that i am defending, the fact that i can live, feel , believe the way i want to without people racing in with machine guns and illing me for it!
(i know, a little extreme but...)

loosbrew

 

[SpongeBob]

why is it OK for our leader and CNN to be focusing on religion to bring us through political strife?

Very good question Loosebrew. I was thinking the same thing while I was reading the news this morning, and I still haven't heard an answer that I accept.

 

[Zwingle]

Because if there really is a god (I don't think so)....he is the only one that can help with this situation.....no politician will make this better......they are scared.....they know this situation is bigger than any other because the real possibility of nukes or chemicals could be used.....and only god will be able to take of the mess. This actually could be the beginning of the end....I am not a doomsayer....just my thoughts.

 

[TripleJ]

Observation: For better or worse, it is a part of human beings, especially at times like these.

What I can say is that I honestly see what you mean. I get sick of it a lot. What are they wasting their time for? Why don't they think for themselves? But the human mind is an amazing thing. It is so unpredictable, unexplainable and complex. I sometimes need a sort of spirtiual home within myself. Other people require a religion to comfort them. That is how the brain is, so I doubt it will ever change. Does that make it right or wrong? I don't think there is an answer to that.

Your other comment on why CNN has to broadcast it and the President blab on about it; I'll have to think about it some more.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< Did you ever stop and wonder why you hate it so much? >>

No, the terrorist attacks in the name of God is reason enough for me.
Even though only a minority of those who are fanatical regarding religion commit such atrocities, without such a reason maybe there wouldn't be as much suffering a grief in the world.

That said, religion can be of great comfort and I see no reason why there shouldn't be a day of prayer and rememberence since the majority of Americans do believe in some form of religion. What is need is understanding , acceptance and fellowship, especially among our fellow countrymen in this dark hour. Whether they be Catholic, Protestant, Musloim, Jew, Hindu, Buddihst or Atheist we are all Humans Beings and Brothers, something of which can't be said of those bastards who masterminded and commited such heinous acts)

 

[Zwingle]

All religions differ in their belief structure.....theirs is one that says that revenge will put you on the right side of Allah. If their religion is correct....that it where those terrorists that died are now.

 

[Jzero]

"God bless America" is more a rallying cry than a religious sentiment. Don't take everything so literally.

I would also remind the world-at-large to look up the definition of religion in the dictionary. Doesn't mention God. I looked in Merriam-Webster and it mentions a set of beliefs pertaining to a deity or reality.

In other words, Atheism is a religion, too.

 

[loosbrew]

just so im clear..i never said i was an athiest either.


i know the defintion of religion. i just used bush's religion and the church as examples because thats whats being piblicized on CNN. now im not in any way saying that the world would be better without religion and i am also not insulting these people for not thinking for themselves yada yada.....i never said any of that and wont in this situation. our societies need a peaceful religion to give them a reason to "be good" idont have to follow which is a good, and so i wont, but this is completely besides the point. i guess i would have prefered the media to not glamourize the religous at the moment and would have prefered Bush's writers to have chosen his words a little better.

loosbrew

 

[psteng19]

<< I agree....and whatever happened to separation of chuch and state? It irks me when Bush ends his speeches with "And God bless America" He doesn't need to throw the religion thing out there. >>



then i guess you'd be pretty irked by our currency, because it says "In God We Trust" on each and everyone of them.
if so, please send it my way.

not to mention the Pledge of Allegiance, our national anthem(s), and other patriotic songs/symbols we have.

believe it or not, our forefathers were religious (Christians), and built this country based on religious principals and beliefs.

 

[loosbrew]

not all currency does...i had a ten dollar bill that didnt have the "In God We Trust" on it. but my girlfriends idiot sister took it off her desk to "borrow" it!

anyway...thats besides the point.

loosbrew

 

[luv2chill]

loosbrew--

This country is in a disastrous state. It is a time of intense tragedy. The vast majority of Americans believe in a deity of some sort, and like it or not 99% of us look for comfort from the leaders of this country. Belief in a God, afterlife, etc. enables many people to make sense of horiffic real-world events like this, and gives them hope and optimism for the future.

In the last few days, we have seen politicians put aside petty differences to join together in solidarity. Shouldn't we be trying to emulate that, rather than continuing to emphasize unimportant differences betweed us? A person's religious belief (whether, Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Hindu, Atheism, etc.) is not something that should make any difference in times like these (or ever, in my humble opinion). We need to come together as human beings to fight the perpetrators of these attacks.

So does it really matter if the name of God is invoked by our nation's leaders? It is intended to calm and assuage people's fears (and one must not underestimate the importance of that), not to divide and offend. This is a time when we must let petty concerns go by the wayside and stand by each other and our country's leaders. God or no god, we have each other and posts like this only tend to drive us further apart when we should be coming together.

l2c

 

[PlatinumGold]

i believe most strongly in separation of Church and State.

our history has seen that the marriage of Church and State has always lead to atrocities. Again the event at the WTC could also be presented as a case of that argument.

what Bush did was offer a day of prayer, mb he should have said a memorial day, mb that wouldve been better. bush seems to be a very religious man and it came out as a religious thing, prayer, but i wouldnt make more of it than it is.

once again, i most vehemently oppose the marriage of church and state. i just didn't see this action as doing that.