Just wondering since Intel's effort to rethink/re-engineer thier line of products looks to have been a great move?
Is AMD planning a similar re-engineering of their line of CPUs
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Do you mean by Intel moving away from Netburst?
If so, Intel have just followed the ideals of AMD, but at present have a much better design with Core 2 against K8. AMD are going to be tweaking the K8 core which will then inturn be called K8L. So i dont think they will be reengineering anything major anytime soon, maybe with K10 but who knows.
Yes. As matter of fact befor you know it you will see the 65nm's and the new core design show up in the review sites. below is a link to XS claiming to be the new Rev. G chip
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108884
Or you could say when back to their old ways of doing thing from back in 2000, with their power efficient and high performing Pentium 3 processor. Or taking a page out of their mobile line and just losening the grips on the thermal constraints there.
As well I agree in that it will be H1 2008 before we see anything of the magnitude of what Intel just did on the desktop for improved performance from a new architecture.
Rev.G Athlon 64's and X2 aren't a major redesign of the core, all they are is basically an optical shrink with some minor tweaks for use on the 65nm process.
I'd guess AMD is doing the same thing they have been doing for the last 3 years, telling each other how great everything is going, and putting the same old hardware into new sockets. Now they are well on their way to becoming a distant #2 once again. On the plus side, at least now they can make chipsets for intel.
Both AMD and Intel will be thinking of their next generation products already. Especially in the case of AMD they will be looking at extracting the most from their current architecture. A die shrink to 65nm will help them push clockspeeds up a bit, they certainly did well when they made the move from 130 down to 90.
Despite the massive performance on offer from Intel with the Core 2 duo AMD still have a very good product line, especially at the budget end of the market where a huge number of processors are constantly required by the market.
Despite the massive performance on offer from Intel with the Core 2 duo AMD still have a very good product line, especially at the budget end of the market where a huge number of processors are constantly required by the market.
A NGMA, like Conroe, K8, K7, Itanium, Netburst, Banias, etc...
Takes a minimum of 3 years to develop. So they have something in teh works long beforehand.
Takes a minimum of 3 years to develop. So they have something in teh works long beforehand.
Not in the short term I don't think. Further down the track, 2008-2009, definitely.
Netburst -> Core2 = Revolutionary. 50% higher IPC, 50% lower heat output. The only thing they share is the quad pumped FSB.
K8 -> K8L = Evolutionary. Not saying it won't bring decent performance improvements over K8, from what I've seen there are some major architectural improvements, but it's still based on K8 rather than being a completely new design.
Netburst -> Core2 = Revolutionary. 50% higher IPC, 50% lower heat output. The only thing they share is the quad pumped FSB.
K8 -> K8L = Evolutionary. Not saying it won't bring decent performance improvements over K8, from what I've seen there are some major architectural improvements, but it's still based on K8 rather than being a completely new design.
Actually it's more like Pentium3 -> Pentium M -> Core Duo -> Core 2 Duo = Evolutionary
Just because it evolved from intel's mobile line doesn't mean it's not derivative.
P3 -> netburst was revolutionary (or at least a genuinely new arch)
K6 -> K7 was revolutionary
Yeah but we didn't go from P3 -> PM -> CD -> C2D on the desktop.
On the desktop we went straight from P4 Netburst to C2D, therefore on the desktop front the change was revolutionary. It doesn't matter that C2D was derived from mobile CD chips, it's a totally different market.
I agree K6 -> K7 was revolutionary, as was 486 -> Pentium.
Thats a lie.
Core2Duo performs better with Pentium-4 Netburst binaries than Pentium-M based Core-Duo binaries.
Anyone that says Core2Duo is a souped up Pentium-III is an architecture illiterate.
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AMD's been offering the same processor for 4 years now only changing memory supports and adding a second core...754 first, then added dual channel mem in 939/940, then added DDR2 support in AM2 etc but it's all same core and instruction set. While A64 was wildly sucessful they have been asleep as far as I can tell and Intel is about to pound them into dust if they don't come up with something other than adding PCIe controller (K8L) to the CPU. 65nm some say, but that's still same core, may give them some increased clock speeds like 3.5Ghz+ but so can intel go that high and on a much faster per clock core. So AMD can not compete clock speed wise. Need new core by next summer.
They are always working on improving their chips. They dont sit around and do nothing and wait for intel to pass them up.
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Intel I don't think in the lightest bit has used the K8 as inspiration with their Conroe core. Their core is simply a hungry beast that is well fed with low latency L2 cache with a 1066MHz FSB. It's core is simply smarter and more efficient than the K8. The K8's core is simply out dated technology at the moment. If the K8L is to be able to catch up to the Conroe, it has to be smarter finding data on the bus and be able to locate blocks of data in the L2 much faster in out-of-order loads while also executing more data other than having it stall along the pipeline.
Also, I actually think AMD could actually regain the performance crown if they make use of all the memory bandwidth they have available to them. It's a shame that even with 35% memory bandwidth advantage over the Conroe, the A64 does nothing with it but let it sit on the bus or in the memory. This is a sign of poor core design which I don't think even the K8L will be able to iron out. However if they do, expect the K8L to destroy whatever Conroe's advantage has in 3D gaming.
Also, I actually think AMD could actually regain the performance crown if they make use of all the memory bandwidth they have available to them. It's a shame that even with 35% memory bandwidth advantage over the Conroe, the A64 does nothing with it but let it sit on the bus or in the memory. This is a sign of poor core design which I don't think even the K8L will be able to iron out. However if they do, expect the K8L to destroy whatever Conroe's advantage has in 3D gaming.
K8L is AMD's only hope, until then AMD is in trouble from now to the launch of K8L
i might get kentsfiled though
i might get kentsfiled though
psssst, thats EXACTLY what happened. AMD got fat and lazy, and in one stroke Intel forced them to cut prices by 50%. That money has to come out of a budget somewhere.
They weren't really sitting around doing nothing, they just cacelled two architectures in the last three years.
http://informationweek.com/news/showArt....jhtml;jsessionid=?articleID=191600193
"Not to be outdone by Intel, AMD last week provided details of one of the more intriguing "bargains" it plans to offer later this year: its 4-by-4 product line for desktop PCs. The product will combine two dual-core Athlon 64 FX processors on a motherboard for less than $1,000, or about the same price that AMD charges for a single high-end Athlon 64 FX. The 4-by-4 is expected to appeal to gamers and others with high-performance needs."
"Not to be outdone by Intel, AMD last week provided details of one of the more intriguing "bargains" it plans to offer later this year: its 4-by-4 product line for desktop PCs. The product will combine two dual-core Athlon 64 FX processors on a motherboard for less than $1,000, or about the same price that AMD charges for a single high-end Athlon 64 FX. The 4-by-4 is expected to appeal to gamers and others with high-performance needs."
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I would also like to add a few more things.
If you read the short and brief K8L article and Anand's blog on the ATI/AMD merger,
You will see that AMD is reconstructing their line of CPU's with a module approach. AMD is forming a brand new approach to x86. If programmers can't design a game with dual core in mind, AMD will facilitate this by adding parralism to the entire computer. I actually think this is a brilliant idea and make Intel look like a 3rd world country if it succeeds.
If you read the short and brief K8L article and Anand's blog on the ATI/AMD merger,
You will see that AMD is reconstructing their line of CPU's with a module approach. AMD is forming a brand new approach to x86. If programmers can't design a game with dual core in mind, AMD will facilitate this by adding parralism to the entire computer. I actually think this is a brilliant idea and make Intel look like a 3rd world country if it succeeds.
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