Is adderall and academics similiar to steroids and bodybuilding

[Clocker]

I have completed my graduate education and from college through a masters program and law school there was always some people who would study forever and seem much more focused. One person I knew graduated with honors but needed his add meds.

Well isn't this cheating? I am not condemning him. The better he does in school the better chance he has for finding employment.

But what is difference for athletes who take steroids to get stronger and faster?

What are your opinion and thoughts?

 

[Ronstang]

I'll go up against anyone that thinks they need meds to focus. The majority of people on these types of drugs are simply masking a behavioral problem that could be corrected with discipline and dedication. Everyone is born attention deficit and discipline corrects the problem for most. Bad parenting is the result of most of these issues today.

 

[Syringer]

ADD = legally subscribed from doctor, accepted in school and life
Steroids = most likely illegal and banned in the sport of bodybuilding

ADD would be more comparable to creatine or something.

 

[SlitheryDee]

College education isn't a nationally televised sport.

 

[Evilhomer99]

Looks like somone was watching the Real Life marathon on MTV this week.............

 

[animalia]

Originally posted by: Evilhomer99
Looks like somone was watching the Real Life marathon on MTV this week.............

LOL Real Life....lol


those two things really arent comparible.

 

[Legend]

Ah, looks like I'm yet another victim of bad parenting again. When my terrible parents got me tutors when I struggled in third grade, it was an prime example of bad parenting. When they took me to a doctor and I was diagnosed with ADD and I got medication to correct the problem, it was bad parenting. When I went from the dumb kid to the person I am now (I just graduated the top computer engineer of my class), it was bad parenting.

In all seriousness, I'm really tired of the generalizations about people with ADD from people that do not have ADD. Sure there's children with bad parents that have ADD meds because they're lazy and they had immoral doctors. But on what basis do you generalize? From anecdotal evidence? I've only told close friends that I take meds for ADD, and I'm sure there's many others that do the same. Perhaps YOUR parents forgot to teach you about generalizing.

Edit: The real cheating are people that don't have a prescriptions, and only take it on test days. Because if you take it as prescribed, your body builds a strong tolerance to stimulants, and that part of the mental edge is taken away. Only the neurotransmitter changes take effect, which is medically needed. But the people that take it illegally on test days are getting an extremely clean high that rapes any energy drink you can buy.

Oh, a butterfly...

 

[animalia]

ADD is an overly diagnosed disorder. This is why people generalize (and they shouldn't) about the disorder.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: animalia
ADD is an overly diagnosed disorder. This is why people generalize (and they shouldn't) about the disorder.

It is so grossly over diagnosed that the generalizations are very accurate. Doctors I know say less than 10% of people on drugs for ADD actually have it. It has become a crutch to keep parents from accepting they are not doing their job and lots of kids are suffering because of it.

 

[Clocker]

Originally posted by: Syringer
ADD = legally subscribed from doctor, accepted in school and life
Steroids = most likely illegal and banned in the sport of bodybuilding

ADD would be more comparable to creatine or something.

Thats a pretty good comparison but add stuff you need a prescription. Also, you can get steroids with a prescription.

 

[Clocker]

Originally posted by: Legend
Ah, looks like I'm yet another victim of bad parenting again. When my terrible parents got me tutors when I struggled in third grade, it was an prime example of bad parenting. When they took me to a doctor and I was diagnosed with ADD and I got medication to correct the problem, it was bad parenting. When I went from the dumb kid to the person I am now (I just graduated the top computer engineer of my class), it was bad parenting.

In all seriousness, I'm really tired of the generalizations about people with ADD from people that do not have ADD. Sure there's children with bad parents that have ADD meds because they're lazy and they had immoral doctors. But on what basis do you generalize? From anecdotal evidence? I've only told close friends that I take meds for ADD, and I'm sure there's many others that do the same. Perhaps YOUR parents forgot to teach you about generalizing.

Edit: The real cheating are people that don't have a prescriptions, and only take it on test days. Because if you take it as prescribed, your body builds a strong tolerance to stimulants, and that part of the mental edge is taken away. Only the neurotransmitter changes take effect, which is medically needed. But the people that take it illegally on test days are getting an extremely clean high that rapes any energy drink you can buy.

Oh, a butterfly...

Hey Legend

I just want you to know i wasnt talking about u. I just cant sleep and i thought it is an interesting topic.

btw why do u think people are real cheating when they take meds w/o prescriptions. i know its illegal. but what about persons who cant afford meds or insurance.

 

[Legend]

Originally posted by: Clocker

Originally posted by: Legend
Ah, looks like I'm yet another victim of bad parenting again. When my terrible parents got me tutors when I struggled in third grade, it was an prime example of bad parenting. When they took me to a doctor and I was diagnosed with ADD and I got medication to correct the problem, it was bad parenting. When I went from the dumb kid to the person I am now (I just graduated the top computer engineer of my class), it was bad parenting.

In all seriousness, I'm really tired of the generalizations about people with ADD from people that do not have ADD. Sure there's children with bad parents that have ADD meds because they're lazy and they had immoral doctors. But on what basis do you generalize? From anecdotal evidence? I've only told close friends that I take meds for ADD, and I'm sure there's many others that do the same. Perhaps YOUR parents forgot to teach you about generalizing.

Edit: The real cheating are people that don't have a prescriptions, and only take it on test days. Because if you take it as prescribed, your body builds a strong tolerance to stimulants, and that part of the mental edge is taken away. Only the neurotransmitter changes take effect, which is medically needed. But the people that take it illegally on test days are getting an extremely clean high that rapes any energy drink you can buy.

Oh, a butterfly...

Hey Legend

I just want you to know i wasnt talking about u. I just cant sleep and i thought it is an interesting topic.

btw why do u think people are real cheating when they take meds w/o prescriptions. i know its illegal. but what about persons who cant afford meds or insurance.

They're cheating for the same reason that people drink coffee before a presentation or test. They want to do their best.

They are not likely to be in college if they can't afford ADD meds. Without insurance they run about 30-60/month.

 

[Clocker]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
College education isn't a nationally televised sport.

you are right it isnt televised. but there are big bucks in it. the smartest kid gets to go to the best school and potentially make more money.

an athlete has to run faster, jump higher whereas the student has to do better better on standardize test (i really hate those) right well think clearer.

 

[Legend]

Originally posted by: Clocker

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
College education isn't a nationally televised sport.

you are right it isnt televised. but there are big bucks in it. the smartest kid gets to go to the best school and potentially make more money.

an athlete has to run faster, jump higher whereas the student has to do better better on standardize test (i really hate those) right well think clearer.

If it makes you feel any better, even with my meds I did poorly enough on the ACT/SAT to not get a bunch of scholarships. As I mentioned earlier, after about a week of taking Ritalin (or adderall), the stimulant effects are needed to feel normal. Only the neurotransmitter balancing still takes place.

I built up 10,000 in debt my first two years as I watched people that did get full rides drop out of engineering/college. It wasn't until my Junior year that starting awarding me scholarships based on actual college performance over the standardized tests.

 

[Clocker]

Originally posted by: Legend

Originally posted by: Clocker

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
College education isn't a nationally televised sport.

you are right it isnt televised. but there are big bucks in it. the smartest kid gets to go to the best school and potentially make more money.

an athlete has to run faster, jump higher whereas the student has to do better better on standardize test (i really hate those) right well think clearer.

If it makes you feel any better, even with my meds I did poorly enough on the ACT/SAT to not get a bunch of scholarships. As I mentioned earlier, after about a week of taking Ritalin (or adderall), the stimulant effects are needed to feel normal. Only the neurotransmitter balancing still takes place.

I built up 10,000 in debt my first two years as I watched people that did get full rides drop out of engineering/college. It wasn't until my Junior year that starting awarding me scholarships based on actual college performance over the standardized tests.

Seriously thanks for sharing its good to hear some perspective from someone who takes MEDs.

on a different post, u said its only 30-60 for meds. well that is alot of money from some people. i went to college with only 50 bucks in my pocket and a broken car (anyhow)

I am not an expert but i think even people with add and is not diagnosed or take meds still have a desire to do well in life or go to school/college. (i am not saying u would do well in school but a 2.0 is still passing baby!!)

 

[judasmachine]

No one really complains that writers on LSD write better work than sober ones...

[swats at bats]

 

[chrisms]

In high school that stuff was passed around like candy. Some of my friends did better with it but I found it to be distracting.

Snorting adderrall.. some real winners I hung out with in high school.

 

[imported_bum]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: animalia
ADD is an overly diagnosed disorder. This is why people generalize (and they shouldn't) about the disorder.

It is so grossly over diagnosed that the generalizations are very accurate. Doctors I know say less than 10% of people on drugs for ADD actually have it. It has become a crutch to keep parents from accepting they are not doing their job and lots of kids are suffering because of it.

The fact that these disorders are over diagnosed and medication is abused does not change the fact that they exist. It is silly to claim that bad parenting causes all ADD or other clinical problems. It does happen (more often than it used to, I'd agree), and I've honestly gone through it myself, but there is no reason to make that generalization.

Adderall can help many people do many different things, it's not only useful for ADD. It can be a useful tool for responsible people. If you think it's a crutch those who are weak, what do you think about caffeine and aspirin? Or at that, any drug at all?

 

[Clocker]

any other thoughts folks

 

[dbk]

It's not some magic pill. It makes you really jittery and you don't feel hungry for HOURS.

 

[Atheus]

If it's prescribed, that's one thing, but in normal circumstances it could be considered a 'performance enhancing drug'. I haven't taken adderall specifically, but I have done a lot of other forms of speed, and it definitely helps you stay awake and concentrate.

 

[Flyback]

I never understood why performance enhancing drugs were given such a bad light. They have such a stigma attached to them these days, perhaps its the fad thing to do?

We enhance ourselves in many other ways through our environment. There are many many many other "unfair" advantages.

Person A who writes the test has:
- A very quiet working environment
- Doesn't work between classes because they have rich parents
- Because they don't work, they can get a solid 8 hour sleep and lots of prep time ahead of the test

Person B who writes the test has:
- 10 brothers and sisters living in an apartment with them
- Lots of noise coming from the neighbors screwing all night
- Lack of energy because they just came home from working 6-8 hours at the supermarket stocking shelves (immediately preceded by 4 hours of lectures)

Person B takes some adderall and crams all night and does well on the test.

I'm not excusing it, but by far nothing is "fair" in life and there are many factors that make someone a better student.

Additionally I'm an amateur bodybuilder (perhaps competition, someday) and I don't care if people use steroids. I find they just look like retarded pregnant freaks Especially the shorter guys who are on gear and get the GH gut going that looks like an alien or two is going to pop out any second. They look f'in retarded and a lot of the bigger naturals just laugh at them

If you think steroids are looked down on, though, you are kidding yourself. Try and win an Olympia without weighing near 300 lbs at a paltry 5'8 or 5'10. You won't.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: Flyback
I never understood why performance enhancing drugs were given such a bad light. They have such a stigma attached to them these days, perhaps its the fad thing to do?

We enhance ourselves in many other ways through our environment. There are many many many other "unfair" advantages.

Person A who writes the test has:
- A very quiet working environment
- Doesn't work between classes because they have rich parents
- Because they don't work, they can get a solid 8 hour sleep and lots of prep time ahead of the test

Person B who writes the test has:
- 10 brothers and sisters living in an apartment with them
- Lots of noise coming from the neighbors screwing all night
- Lack of energy because they just came home from working 6-8 hours at the supermarket stocking shelves (immediately preceded by 4 hours of lectures)

Person B takes some adderall and crams all night and does well on the test.

I'm not excusing it, but by far nothing is "fair" in life and there are many factors that make someone a better student.

Additionally I'm an amateur bodybuilder (perhaps competition, someday) and I don't care if people use steroids. I find they just look like retarded pregnant freaks Especially the shorter guys who are on gear and get the GH gut going that looks like an alien or two is going to pop out any second. They look f'in retarded and a lot of the bigger naturals just laugh at them

If you think steroids are looked down on, though, you are kidding yourself. Try and win an Olympia without weighing near 300 lbs at a paltry 5'8 or 5'10. You won't.

Yeah, drug testing in the IFBB is a joke. All of the pros are on a wide array of "banned" substances.