Is access to potable water a right?

CycloWizard

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Humans need shelter, water, and food (in that order) to survive. In this thread, we will simplify the discussion by focusing on water. Is access to potable water a basic right in the US today? If so, who should pay for it? How much should each person receive on a monthly basis?

The reason I inquire about water in particular is that it seems the most directly analogous to healthcare for the following reasons. Given an unlimited supply of water/healthcare for every person may extend life expectancy, but we will all still die. Rationing water/healthcare may increase the mean life expectancy while diminishing quality of life. Regardless of whether an individual or government pays for the water, the money has to come from somewhere because water, like healthcare, is a finite resource. The scarcity of water will become increasingly apparent over the next few decades as the population continues to grow, as will the scarcity of healthcare. Increasing scarcity of water/healthcare will drive up the price of both to where fewer and fewer people will be able to afford to buy their own, while the wealthy will continue to be able to use both at will.

The solutions which work for water conservation (i.e. restrictions on types of usage) have proven marginally effective. Research continues to show that simply allowing market forces to increase water prices results in more judicious use of water, thereby keeping the prices lower for everyone. I link this article in particular because they note a counterintuitive finding wherein a regulation intended to protect one group of consumers which is thought to be at a competitive disadvantage actually comes out behind due to the "protections" put in place with the regulations. In other words, by attempting to grant one group special status and protect them from market forces, that group and everyone else end up with less satisfactory outcomes than if everyone had just been left alone. In hindsight, this is a predictable outcome where a market constraint diminishes market efficiency.

In the end, we can all agree that ideally, everyone should have unlimited access to food, water, shelter, healthcare, and other basic necessities. Unfortunately, these are all finite resources and cost money, whereas demand for these resources is infinite (i.e. people will use as much as is available subject to affordability). In my opinion, implementing special classes of citizenry which are "protected" by virtue of being poor, elderly, young, or whatever it might be is actually decreasing their quality of life while increasing costs for everyone. Sometimes, the best solution is to simply do nothing as the cure is worse than the disease.
 

Throckmorton

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Yes, potable water is a right. Water is also a public resource that belongs to everyone. The water utility doesn't manufacture water. It's not like healthcare at all.
 

xj0hnx

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If potable water means someone would have to work to provide it for you then no, you do not have a right to it. You have a right to have it, as in no one can tell you you can not take naturally occurring water, or pay for potable water provided by someone else, but you can not force someone else to provide you with it.
 

xj0hnx

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Yes, potable water is a right. Water is also a public resource that belongs to everyone. The water utility doesn't manufacture water. It's not like healthcare at all.

If someone has to labor to provide it for you free then you would be making them a slave. If you want to produce your own, or pay for the provided service then that's fine, but no one has the right to demand someone else's labor without compensation.
 

nehalem256

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Yes, potable water is a right. Water is also a public resource that belongs to everyone. The water utility doesn't manufacture water. It's not like healthcare at all.

Potable water is not right. Do you think water comes out of your faucet by magic?

The water utility may not "manufacture" water. But it does pump the water out of the "ground". Ensure that it is potable. And deliver it to your house.

EDIT: If you don't like have fun drinking out of mud puddles.
 

CycloWizard

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Is it a right? No.

Am I willing to pay taxes so everyone has it? Yes.
How much are you willing to pay in taxes? To how much water should each person have access? If it's free and I just leave my hose running 24/7 in the desert, will you still be willing to pay taxes so everyone has it?
 

Texashiker

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So far the discussion has been on tap water, but what about access to water under your land?

Do land owners have a right to the water under their land?

If I want to put a well in my backyard and get off city water, shouldn't I have the right to do so?
 

wirednuts

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So far the discussion has been on tap water, but what about access to water under your land?

Do land owners have a right to the water under their land?

If I want to put a well in my backyard and get off city water, shouldn't I have the right to do so?

depends what local laws say. and if you dont like the laws youre living under, then its your right to move if you wish. or get someone elected that you agree with.

most towns i know that switch from well water to city, they give residents the option. however, if you chose to stay on your well and then later decide you want the city water, it could cost you big bucks to have it hooked up. thats how municipalities semi force people to switch.
 

CycloWizard

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I thought this thread was about rights?

There is a difference between a right and a law.

Regardless of what the law says, should I have a right to drink the water from under my property?
You can also have a different thread for your completely distinct topic. In fact, please do.
 

CycloWizard

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Enough to ensure their health. Not the fountains at the Bellagio.
And how much is that? If we are going to legislate such a thing, we have to be able to put a one-size-fits-all number on it. What if someone exercises to stay healthy and therefore needs to drink more water?
 

CycloWizard

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This thread is about water, did you specify where said water was supposed to come from?
No because that has no bearing on whether someone should have a right to access potable water. If you want to discuss property rights, feel free to do so. Just do it somewhere else where it won't distract from the discussion we're having here.
 
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No its not a right. Nobody in this world is born with rights. Societies establish certain rights though.

Is it a nice thing that could be seen as being a right? Sure.
 

Steeplerot

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If potable water means someone would have to work to provide it for you then no, you do not have a right to it. You have a right to have it, as in no one can tell you you can not take naturally occurring water, or pay for potable water provided by someone else, but you can not force someone else to provide you with it.

It must be nice to just not think and see the world in such black and white unrealistic terms. It's like a well tailored think tank approved fairy tale for narcissistic sociopaths. How cute.
 

Munky

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It's not a right any more than access to food is a right. Too many entitlement-minded clueless 20-something know-it-alls debating what a "right" actually is.
 

MooseNSquirrel

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No because its just not practical to do so*.

I would make it a right to have access at the lowest cost possible however.




*Granted the Romans managed it. But then, what have the Romans ever done for us?
 

nehalem256

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I thought this thread was about rights?

There is a difference between a right and a law.

Regardless of what the law says, should I have a right to drink the water from under my property?

Any above ground water contained entirely on your property you would seem to have a right to.

Below ground water is more of a challenge. Imagine there was a pond that was half on your land and half on your neighbors land. Would you have unencumbered rights to that water?
 
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It really doesn't matter if it's a "right" or not. It is something that modern societies should make sure everyone has access to. The earth isn't flat anymore.
 
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glenn1

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Is it a right? No.

Am I willing to pay taxes so everyone has it? Yes.

The existence of public water fountains indicate your wish has been granted.

I disagree with providing free to the house potable water service (tapwater) to folks at taxpayer expense. If you want to make charitable contributions for that purpose then more power to you.
 

Texashiker

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No because that has no bearing on whether someone should have a right to access potable water. If you want to discuss property rights, feel free to do so. Just do it somewhere else where it won't distract from the discussion we're having here.

My comments were not about property rights, its about access to water.

The same can be said about collecting rain water off your property.