Is a water block enough?

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boxleitnerb

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You need fittings, tubing, a pump, a reservoir, a radiator with fans and distilled water with an anti-corrosive additive. As far as I know EK sells also complete kits but these only include the CPU cooler and are rather expensive for what they contain.

No offense, but you sound like a beginner. This is no problem at all, I just want to mention that you should take some time to read up on how watercooling works, what you need and how the parts fit together. Some basic knowledge is a good start. But we'll be here to help you of course. You should also know that by removing the GPU cooler you lose the warranty of your graphics card (depending on manufacturer - some cover the installing of 3rd party cooling solutions like watercooling in their warranty if it is done properly).
 
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BallaTheFeared

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If that's all you bought, and you have no other liquid cooling parts... Then yes, so far you've done it wrong :D

EK makes water cooling kits for CPU's, I'd suggest grabbing one of those and a few more feet of tubing, and two more barbs.

http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/kits-cases/kits.html

Also for cheap people like myself you could get the Rasa kit which is what I started with and the additional tubing with two barbs as well.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/1..._Kit_w_RX360_Radiator_and_Free_Kill_Coil.html

You could build your own loop, you could also sell the cpu blocks those kits come with on ebay or a forum to make back some cash.

You'll also want one of these:

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/1...l_999_Fine_Silver_Tubing_Reservoir_Strip.html

Stay away from additives, the dye in them breaks up and gunks up your system. It can also stain parts like the res and tubing.

And distilled water from your local grocery as mentioned.
 
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aaksheytalwar

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I won't be installing it myself, I will get a guy to do that. Can you please tell me what all equipment/tools do I need to buy from EK to complete the setup?

Once you tell me all I need, I will buy it. Then I will search for a manual which my guy will read and install. Can you please please please tell me what all I need to purchase in addition to this? :(

Can you tell me what all should I buy from here?
http://ekwaterblocks.com/shop

Can you tell me if I should ask for a refund on the water block (just ordered 10 mins back) and go some other way?
 
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boxleitnerb

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Does your guy have knowledge in watercooling setups? It's not really difficult but you should know what you're doing.

First, maybe we should establish what your goal is. Do you want to watercool just the graphics card or the CPU as well? What kind of case to you have? The radiator has to fit into it unless you want to put it externally (not recommended due to lack of mobility).
Could you post a picture of the inside of your computer case with all the hardware so we can plan where everything would go.

As for the waterblock, it has to fit your card. It most certainly is for the reference design of the 7970. Could you point us to the exact card that you have? Some manufacturers use their own PCB layout and then the standard waterblocks don't fit. You should cancel it and check if your card is a reference design or not. Better safe than sorry :)

You can order the rest later when we know more. I only know good watercooling stores in Europe (Germany/Switzerland to be specific), so someone else should point you to the place where to best get the stuff.
 
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aaksheytalwar said:
I won't be installing it myself, I will get a guy to do that. Can you please tell me what all equipment/tools do I need to buy from EK to complete the setup?

Once you tell me all I need, I will buy it. Then I will search for a manual which my guy will read and install. Can you please please please tell me what all I need to purchase in addition to this? :(

Can you tell me what all should I buy from here?
http://ekwaterblocks.com/shop

Can you tell me if I should ask for a refund on the water block (just ordered 10 mins back) and go some other way?
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Money is no object?

:D

Yay!

Do you want to cool your cpu too, or do you want simply pieces and have him put it together with gpu cooling only?
 
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aaksheytalwar

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Who told you money is no object? It is a very big object here. I am not looking to spend over 150-175 euros all inclusive including shipping. And I want the water cooling to be used for my future graphic cards as well.

I have a H100 for my CPU, no don't require cooling for that.

I just want all pieces and a manual which my guy can read to set it up together. Besides, I am in India, getting a guy to put it all together it just about $20-40 max.
 
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boxleitnerb

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150-175 euros will not cut it.

A quick estimate:
GPU waterblock = 80 euros
360 radiator = 40-60 euros
3 fans = 20-30 euros
6 fittings = 15 euros
tubing = 10 euros
pump = 30-60 euros
reservoir = 30 euros

Shipping to India could be very expensive, depending from where. I would buy locally if you can. You cannot use the waterblock for future graphics cards, you need a new one every single time. You could use a universal smaller block for the GPU only but the VRAM and VRMs need to be cooled as well, especially on a high end card. Without the air flow from the original cooler they will get very hot. I would not recommend that.

For a decent watercooling setup that includes the graphics card only you would have to spend 200-250 euros without shipping. It can be cheaper if you go second hand for some parts. But I doubt that is an option in India.
 
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aaksheytalwar

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How do I ask EK for a refund on the water block? Shipping etc is only $50 or so total, but I am not prepared to spend 200 euros plus shipping for everything combined? India doesn't have any local shop which sells water cooling.

What should I do? :(

I can understand spending Rs.10-12k ($250 approx) all incl for something which will last 2-3 GPU generations, but anything more is way too much.

What should I do now? :(
 
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BallaTheFeared

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EK + Budget = Doing it wrong.

You're paying a lot for brand recognition and looks...

All that said, for simplicity I would suggest just getting a EK CPU cooling kit, whichever falls into your budget and two 90 degree barbs. Sell the block someplace, like ebay? I dunno anything about resale in your area.

Two of these: http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/a...or-fittings/ek-psc-adapter-90-g1-4-black.html

And one CPU kit: http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/kits-cases/kits.html


You're looking at € 159.95 for the lowest end kit, but keep in mind if you can sell the cpu block you should be able to get some of that back.
 
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I don't want a CPU kit,
I want for my GPU. I have a H100 for my CPU.

And for my complete GPU kit, I can do 160 euros plus shipping perhaps, but that is the max max.

Will EK be willing for a refund ( at least 70-80% refund), I just placed the order about half an hour back? :(

Is there any air cooler for my MSI 7970 which isn't as loud? And which cools at least 10C better?
 
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boxleitnerb

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Why do you want watercooling in the first place? Is your card too loud or too hot? You could just go with an air cooler from a 3rd party manufacturer. That would be significantly cheaper:
http://geizhals.at/de/722818
Here is a review:
http://www.kitguru.net/components/cooling/zardon/arctic-accelero-xtreme-7970-cooler-review/7/

If you don't want to overclock your card, you could also try to undervolt it. If successful, it will run significantly cooler and quieter.

Just write EK an email, say you made a mistake and kindly ask them to cancel your order and refund the money. I'm pretty sure they will do that.
 
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BallaTheFeared

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Listen, cpu kit just means it comes with a cpu block. The rest of the parts can be used for the gpu, which you already have a block for.

That means the entire kit, except the cheap cpu block they give you can be used to setup a closed loop system for your 7970.

Let me say that again, that means every part within the kit except the "cpu" water block, which you simply swap for your gpu water block can be used to create the water cooling system.

Call it a GPU kit for all I care, it's simple, it has every part you need to create a closed loop system for your gpu except the block which you already have.
 
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boxleitnerb said:
Why do you want watercooling in the first place? Is your card too loud or too hot? You could just go with a air cooler from a 3rd party manufacturer. That would be significantly cheaper.

Just write EK an email, say you made a mistake and kindly ask them to cancel your order and refund the money. I'm pretty sure they will do that.
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I emailed them, waiting for a reply.

Can you suggest a air cooler which is cooler and much more silent than my 7970?

I run the 7970 stock cooler at 55% (OC 1125 1575 @ 1.162V) and it is very very loud and reaches temps of around 80C with 10 minutes OCCT load at full shader count 10 full HD settings with 8x MSAA.

I want an air cooler which can manage my 7970 silently at 1125 1575 1.162V with temps lower by at least 10+ degree C, that is mid 60s or late 60s, and should be nearly silent :(
 
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aaksheytalwar

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And why did you link to that website? I would prefer a US website provided this ship to India. Any website which ships to India would do.
 
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boxleitnerb

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I linked a review. The Accelero should do very nicely.
The website was just to get you an idea how cheap this is compared to watercooling. I don't live in the US, I don't know what shops ship to India there.

You could of course also go with Balla's suggestion. It will run cooler, but quieter, I don't know. I haven't had air cooling for a while now. But it will be 3x as expensive at least, but that is your call.
 
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aaksheytalwar

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Is the Accelero silent, at mid to mid-high speeds? Because the stock cooler cools decently but is loud like crap :(
 
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Read the second answer (BallaTheFeared), sell the H100 and enjoy a good WC setup. It will come in under 200€ too if you do it like that.
 
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aaksheytalwar

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I already asked for a refund on the waterblock, got a full refund also. Bought an Accelero Xtreme 7970 for about $100 shipped to my place.

Keeping the Accelero and my H100 :)
 
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