Is a Celeron 466Mhz really that SLOW???

[JEDI]

I formatted/installed Win98se onto a friend's Celeron 466Mhz w/192megs ram.

The celeron is a Mendacina core.

The only thing on this computer is Office2000 and Norton v5 (from 1999).

I installed all the updates from Microsoft's site.

It takes A LONG TIME (5 minutes) from Windows98 splash screen to where I can double click on something to run.

Is this normal for a Celeron 466Mhz chip w/192megs ram???

edit:
Old 8gig HD, but i'm running Ultra DMA 2.

 

[mwmorph]

yes. my celly466(mendicino) 256mb ram sucks arse too. amke sure windows isnt loading too much stuff. mine took at least 5-7minutes to boot befroe i cleaned the registry and cleaned out the startup folder.

edit: oc it and you should be able to get a whopping 525mhz(75mhz fsb) at least.

 

[Sp33d]

You really just ought to get a new mobo/cpu set. the A64's from newegg are very cheap.

 

[Mattd46612]

He said it was a friends computer... not his.

 

[StrangerGuy]

My P3 667MHz with 64MB RAM loads win98se (fresh install) in just 10 seconds, FYI.

I say that something is definitely wrong with your friend's PC.

 

[JEDI]

um.. i think this Celeron is based on a p2 core, and of course crippled so it wont compete w/the p2.

so there's a HUGE difference between the Celly (crippled p2) and your P3

 

[RaistlinZ]

Originally posted by: JEDI
I formatted/installed Win98se onto a friend's Celeron 466Mhz w/192megs ram.

The celeron is a Mendacina core.

The only thing on this computer is Office2000 and Norton v5 (from 1999).

I installed all the updates from Microsoft's site.

It takes A LONG TIME (5 minutes) from Windows98 splash screen to where I can double click on something to run.

Is this normal for a Celeron 466Mhz chip w/192megs ram???

You failed to mention what kind of hard drive is on this bad boy. If it's some old 5GB P.O.S then yeah, I can see it taking 5 minutes to load up Wind 98.

 

[Cha0s]

pentium 3's are much faster. Even my old PIII 450mhz boots in less than a min

 

[rogue1979]

Get rid of the Nortons, bigtime resource hog. With a few tweaks the fresh Win98 should run very reasonable on that rig.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: RaistlinZ

Originally posted by: JEDI
I formatted/installed Win98se onto a friend's Celeron 466Mhz w/192megs ram.

The celeron is a Mendacina core.

The only thing on this computer is Office2000 and Norton v5 (from 1999).

I installed all the updates from Microsoft's site.

It takes A LONG TIME (5 minutes) from Windows98 splash screen to where I can double click on something to run.

Is this normal for a Celeron 466Mhz chip w/192megs ram???

You failed to mention what kind of hard drive is on this bad boy. If it's some old 5GB P.O.S then yeah, I can see it taking 5 minutes to load up Wind 98.

yup, old 8gig hd that came w/the system.

but it runs at ultra DMA mode2. or that doesnt matter?

 

[Painman]

Mendocino? :Q That is just soooo last millennium...though they actually kept pretty good pace with their P2 brethren because of their on-chip L2 cache. Overclocked, good ones could pass the 500 MHz mark and smash any P2 available at that time.

Nonetheless, that system should NOT take that long to load up Windows. Something is wrong. Make sure there's no network adapter trying to poll a nonexistent DHCP server for an address and taking 5 minutes to wait for a timeout or something.

 

[Slaimus]

It is Win98, it always boots slow, and esp bad if you have a lot of drivers to load. WinME boots nice and fast.

 

[obeseotron]

There is definitely something wrong. Win98se taking 5 minutes to load almost always means that there is an improperly configured NIC in the machine. It is probably set to acquire an IP by DHCP but there is no DHCP server available. Make sure your chipset drivers are installed (win98 is very old) and that DMA is enabled on the hard drive. To be clear a 5 minute boot time on a fresh install is not normal for any PC meeting the requirements even on the side of the box. A P90 with 16mb of ram with a 1 gig HD will load win98 in less than 2 minutes off a fresh install of 98.

As a side note:
The celerons of that era were not crippled in nearly the same way that later models were. Celerons had half the cache, but it was full speed. They also ran on a slower (66 vs 100 Mhz) bus, but that didn't matter much then. Anandtech Celeron 433 Review

Celeron 433 is faster than a p2 400 in many if not most cases.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: obeseotron
There is definitely something wrong. Win98se taking 5 minutes to load almost always means that there is an improperly configured NIC in the machine. It is probably set to acquire an IP by DHCP but there is no DHCP server available. Make sure your chipset drivers are installed (win98 is very old) and that DMA is enabled on the hard drive. To be clear a 5 minute boot time on a fresh install is not normal for any PC meeting the requirements even on the side of the box. A P90 with 16mb of ram with a 1 gig HD will load win98 in less than 2 minutes off a fresh install of 98.

As a side note:
The celerons of that era were not crippled in nearly the same way that later models were. Celerons had half the cache, but it was full speed. They also ran on a slower (66 vs 100 Mhz) bus, but that didn't matter much then. Anandtech Celeron 433 Review

Celeron 433 is faster than a p2 400 in many if not most cases.

the nic card is in a pci slot, and not built into the mobo. i have my DSL connected to it.

since i'm using DSL, i have dhcp.

any other possibilites why it's so slow to bootup?

 

[sman83]

My celeron 400mhz 96mb of ram with windows me boots very fast faster then the xp box i have lol

 

[Yanagi]

Most likely the NIC. I had that same problem aswell with the NIC. If its taking a long time to get to the windows screen its the NIC: But if its taking long time from you get into the windows screen until it stops loading I woiuld blame Norton and POS harddrive. You're not running FAT32 on that small harddrive are you?

 

[JEDI]

yes fat32.

what other option do i have with win98se? fat16?

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: Yanagi
Most likely the NIC. I had that same problem aswell with the NIC. If its taking a long time to get to the windows screen its the NIC: But if its taking long time from you get into the windows screen until it stops loading I woiuld blame Norton and POS harddrive. You're not running FAT32 on that small harddrive are you?

one would have to run FAT32 on any hdd larger than 2GB, or is my memory going?

5 mins is a long time. Why don't you load up win2k or XP? It should be able to run it pretty easily. and a cel 466 will do 700mhz i think if you throw it in a 440bx board (100fsb).

 

[MustangSVT]

no, that is NOT normal.

my guess is HDD or configuration. it should not take that long to boot.

 

[asm0deus]

norton is slowing you down too, we noticed a 2 sec delay when opening stuff on all of our systems with norton on them.

 

[LTC8K6]

That's way too slow and not normal.

 

[slash196]

Yes. Yes it is.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: JEDI
um.. i think this Celeron is based on a p2 core, and of course crippled so it wont compete w/the p2.
so there's a HUGE difference between the Celly (crippled p2) and your P3

Not that much difference. There is definately something wrong there.

Actually, you know what I bet it is? Does the machine have a network card? Win9x has this issue where NICs set to use DHCP, but not connected to any server, will hang the startup by about 30 seconds. Moreso if there are any boot-time apps that also try to access the network, that could cause the startup to crawl for minutes. (I've seen it.)

Edit: Oops, I see that was already mentioned two posts later than the one I responded too. Sorry.

 

[gwag]

sounds like you might have a 40 ribbon cable and running DMA2 check it! make sure its 80. try pio mode for grins even if it is, have seen this before.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: gwag
sounds like you might have a 40 ribbon cable and running DMA2 check it! make sure its 80. try pio mode for grins even if it is, have seen this before.

doesnt matter if it's set to dma mode2. dma mode 4 and above require 80pin or system has problems.