Is a 9736 on 3dMark2001 low for my system?

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I just ran 3dMark2001, and I got a 9736...

Is that low for the following system?

AXP 2000+
256 MB PC2700
Albatron KX400+ Pro
GF4 Ti4200 64MB
Detonator 40 drivers

I'm just wondering if I am doing something wrong. Thanks!
 

AnAndAustin

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:eek: Well don't put too much emphasis on 3Dmark but as a rough guide it is pretty good. Since CPUs and gfx cards are nearly always o/c'ed in the submitted 3Dmark results I take it you are o/c'ing your GF4TI4200 as running it at default makes very little sense. So looking at 3Dmark ORB we see XP2000+ with 4200 nets on average 11000-12000 so it seems something is holding you back a little.

;) The drivers you use for your gfx card are obvious but mobo (esp BIOS) and sound along with all your other hw can also make a diff. Ideally you don't want your gfx card to share the IRQ, an Aperture Size of 128MB is generally best (but doesn't make much diff), fast writes and side band should generally be enabled too. Got to rush, check back later ...
 

AnAndAustin

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:D Oh, well 4200 cards are clocked well below their true potential so that people will continue buying 4400 and 4600 cards LOL!

;) 4200-64 default clocks are 250 core and 500 RAM (250/500) and will nearly all have 3.6ns DDR RAM which is technicly certain to hit 555mhz and often hits 600mhz! The core tends to be identical to 4400/4600 so 300mhz is not at all uncommon. The diffs between manus is VERY insignificant for GF4TI, things like image quality, perf, o/c'ability, features are all very standard with the only exception being the odd manu who will cheap out on the RAM which in 4200-64's case would mean 4.0ns limiting the RAM o/c to about 550mhz.

:D So in short you should expect to get 275/550 but 300/600 is by no means out of the question BUT as with any o/c'ing there are NO guarantees, you will have to raise the clocks slowly and test thoroughly at each setting until you get instability or visual defects, at which point it's best to drop it back a couple of notches.

:) The perf diff between 250/500 and 275/550 is significant let alone 300/600! JFYI 4400=275/550 4600=300/650.
 

Ben88

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Devil's Advocate I have the "exact" same system as you. AXP 2000+, 256mb of pc2700, albatron kx400+ pro, leadtek ti4200 64mb. det 40 drivers. I max out at 11,400. I have my leadtek oc'ed to 285/575 and it is stable. My XP is oc'ed to 2100+ using fsb only. I have not yet unlocked the chip because I don't need the speed. Her eis what I did to maximize performance. Feel free to try this out:

1. Format hdd and install windows

2. Install network card

3. Log onto internet and download latest 4 in 1 drivers from via.com.tw Do not use 4 in 1 drivers included on mobo cd

4. Download and install directx 8.1

5. Go to nvidia.com and download 40. det drivers and install them.

6. Install sound drivers off of mobo cd.

7. Install all your other sotfware

Using that method I got around 10,400 and overclocking gave me 1,000 more points.

Have a nice evening

Ben
 

Megatomic

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I'm wondering about my Ti 4200 as well. I have a 128MB version with the standard Samsung 4.0nsec memory chips on it. I have them clocked at 500MHz now which is a gimme. Now if what I'm reading here is true, given adequate cooling (Ti 4600 level cooler) I should be able to clock my 4200 core to 4600 speeds. Is this true or is there a voltage issue which we have neglected to mention up to this point?

Also, at what point does the memory bandwidth bottleneck the GPU's ability to perform? I'm wondering how high I should clock the GPU before the memory completely holds it back...
 

Megatomic

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Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Thanks for the tip :) Do you think that I am losing a lot of points by running Win 2000?

I think you might have lost a little bit of your performance by using Win2K but not enough to complain about. WinXP or 98SE are your best bets for high performance.
 

WyteWatt

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DevilsAdvocate i do not think you are losing any 3dmark2001SE points running windows 2000. I have tested windows XP, windows 2000, and windows 98 SE 100s of times and guess which one gives me the highest 3dmark2001SE score? Windows 2000 just like i thought it would!! :) Thats why i have always said windows 2000 is the Best MS OS in history, Ulimate Gaming OS, not a ram hog like windows xp, very stable, Windows 2000 does have compat. mode just like windows xp, windows 2000 can run dos games because i have done it before, etc. Windows 2000 is THE best MS OS. No ifs, buts or ands about it. None. Zero. No excuses either.

Thank you :)

 

GoodRevrnd

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Pfff... you think that's bad, on my XP1900 (Via 266) and Radeon 9700 I only get like an 11500 (no overclocks). However I still happily stomp the geforces in any game other than NWN, soooo... 3dmark can suck it!
 

AnAndAustin

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SeekingTao, 4200-128MB cards nearly all use 4.0ns Samsung/Hynix which is technicly sound up to 500mhz but many average 550mhz! The cores in all GF4TI are essentialy identical and all stock coolers are all equally good, hence 275 should be easy while 300+ is not unrealistic. So 275/500 should be very easy for you while about 300/550+ isn't out of the question, you should beat 4400 stock but you'll need a special 4200-128MB card to challenge the 4600, still there's only about 10% perf diff between 4400 and 4600 anyway! Just raise the clocks slowly and test thoroughly at each setting, anything you do get is a bonus anyway. For GF2/GF4MX the RAM clock is by far the most critical thing but GF3/GF4TI benefit very equally from both core and RAM so fin the limit of both and then back off a couple of notches in the long term.

GoodRevrnd, Rad9700 really shows up the age of the 3Dmark benchmark particularly at the standard 1024x768x32 without any AA or Ani. If you up the res to 1280x960 or 1600x1200 and enable Ani & AA you'll see a very diff picture! There is a big diff between VIA KT266 and KT266A, but this shouldn't hold you back too much and anything over 8000 marks isn't hugely noticable anyway!
 
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I might just keep the other one around... :) I have to decide whether I have the room (and whether the wife will let me ;))
 

AnAndAustin

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:eek: DarkKnight that's what putting a card that's 2 years old in with a modern CPU will get you. Do yourself a HUGE favour and either spend $100 for a 128MB Rad8500/GF3 or $120-150 for a GF4TI4200! You'll be blown away by the perf diff in games, currently a Duron1ghz with a GF3/Rad8500 will kill your PC for gaming.

;) DevilsAdvocate your current PC can handle all current games inc UT2003 exceptionally well, why spend the huge amount of money for the P4?
 

Deeko

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3DMark is the DEVIL :)

Have you run any game benchmarks? That's what counts. Unless you watch 3DMark all day.
 

AnAndAustin

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;) A very good point Deeko. Although there are people who hate and love 3Dmark those of us in the middle take it for what it is. A good guide to 3D perf and very useful for checking your perf is about where it should be AND excellent to see what diff CPUs and gfx cards would do to your perf. Of course it is just one of many 'tools' people should use, but it is hardly the devil ... more like a smelly but friendly drunk guy LOL!
 
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Cancelled my order on the Dell :) You all are right... this system should be fine to run UT2003.

It is probably better to wait on HT and Dual channel anyway (or Hammer...) :D
 

alkemyst

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pack it back up in the cow colored box and return it ... only 9700 something ?!!? so lame


seriously, that's a good score, I am getting 7k's but then again my platform is 4 years old :)