Is 4400 X2 really better than 4200 X2

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walkman

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At first it was a no brainer, but with the price gouging on the 4400 there is more than a $100 difference in price (plus much better availability).

So I'm wondering, how much faster is the 4400? Does it show up in the benchmarks? In certain situations or applications?

 
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bjc112

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I thought the difference was only about $50..

Thex extra 1MB of cache per core is definitely worth it.

 
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Duvie

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depending on the applications you plan to use the answer is likely NO for a $100 price diff...When it was a planned $40 dollar difference it was a no-brainer to just get the 4400+...gamers see most of the difference....encoders and renderers 0-1% difference. One only has to look at reviews of the venice 3800+ , newcastle 3800+, and the 4000+ clawhammer to see what I mean...Good review at xbitlabs.com....

As far as Ocing most likely it can go as high as the 4400+'s are ocing right now....
 
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bjc112

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Is the difference $100 everywhere now?

I agree with the planned $40-50 difference being worth it..

 
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Pabster

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Yes, but that is due to price gouging. Just let everything simmer for another month and those prices should plummet.
 
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bob661

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I don't think it's price gouging. More than likely it's just simple supply and demand. Low supply, high demand, prices go up.
 
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Duvie

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For some yes....For newegg!!! Pure price gouging...Looking at the range of prices (IE the market) Newegg is well above the market rates of others. Being a volume dealer like monarch..I would say they are being very oportunisic....

I will never buy from them again, but that is easy cause over the last year they have been getting really ridiculous on pretty much all their pricing....
 
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colincsl

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At Monarch if you get a combo, barebones, or whole system the OEM versions just have a $50 price difference. It is $535 for the OEM 4200 and $585 for the OEM 4400
 
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n yusef

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Originally posted by: colincsl
At Monarch if you get a combo, barebones, or whole system the OEM versions just have a $50 price difference. It is $535 for the OEM 4200 and $585 for the OEM 4400
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That's true, but this only benefits people who need RAM and a motherboard besides just a CPU. What I want to know is how much the cache helps out in Photshop, because the gaming advantage is probably only at super low resolutions. When sites do CPU game tests, they use a nice $500 card, then play at settings I can run with a 5200. I don't care if the CPU can get 10 more fps (250 vs. 240) at 640*480, test at 1600*1200 with AA/AF, so you can show that the CPU doesn't matter nearly as much as the video card for gaming.

Duvie, do you know how much the extra cache of a 4400+ would help out in Photoshop, if at all?
 
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Janet Reno

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The 4400 having double the cache is getting hyped up way too much. It's like a 3% performance increase. You wouldn't even notice it. I think it's actually the better deal to go with the 4200 and the only reason to go for a 4200 is in hope that games that actually utilize the dual cores will get an incredible increase in efficiency. Otherwise the Venice 3000+ @ 2.8 like Duvie has is really the best way to go at the moment for the money and it will still last for a while to come.
 
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bob661

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Duvie post some links on the supposed price gouging. Oh and it better be more than a few bucks.
 
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Duvie

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Originally posted by: bob661
Duvie post some links on the supposed price gouging. Oh and it better be more than a few bucks.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103546

remember AMD set the price of these (retail) at 580's....I wouls say 140 is price gouging....

there is about 4 retailers listed on pricewatch from 720+ for the same chip....

The 580 was AMDs retail boxed chip meaning OEMs should have been likely 550-560 range...instead they are well up in the mid 600's by same company if they even have them in stock.....

The retail price for the 4200+ is not bad at newegg only about 50 over AMDs pricing schedule...



http://www.mwave.com/mwave/ViewProducts...2&updepts=CPU&DNAME=Processors+%2D+CPU

Look Mwave is 70+ dollars cheaper.....

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80726-R

Look zipzoomfly is nearly 100 dollars cheaper for same retail box....

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications...asp?EdpNo=1446877&Sku=CP1-A64-4400%20E

Look tigerdirect.com is also 100 dollars cheaper then newegg...


Now for both the ones above that is modest price boosting for an early product....40 dollars over AMD's pricing is about 6-7% and that seems reasonable...neweggs is 24%...
 
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Duvie

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Originally posted by: bob661
Duvie post some links on the supposed price gouging. Oh and it better be more than a few bucks.
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Ohhh...and watch how you talk to me you little punk.....Tell me what the heck it should be...LOL!!!
 
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bob661

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LOL@Duvie! Ok. I think $100+ is a little high but that could be due to high demand at Newegg. Even if it was straight up gouging, I'd still buy from them because their service and shipping is excellent. I don't always look for the cheapest deal. Most of the time I end up getting the cue stick if I go cheap.
 
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gobucks

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I agree with most people here, if you can get a 1MB version for $50 or less extra, go for it. They all OC about the same, so the 1MB versions will ultimately perform better cause they will have the same clock speed but with larger cache. This is especially important because the bonus from extra cache is multiplied by the number of cores. So, if a single core, 1MB chip was around 4% faster than a 512K chip, then with the X2's, multithreaded apps would see around an 8% boost, assuming they make use of the cache.

Still, you might wanna hold your horses. Apparently a slower 3800+ or 4000+ dual core (maybe both) will be available august 1. Prices will apparenltly go down to $345, hopefully for the 4000+, cause it'd be nice to see a $200-250 3800 by christmas.
 
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Originally posted by: Duvie
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/ViewProducts...2&updepts=CPU&DNAME=Processors+%2D+CPU

Look Mwave is 70+ dollars cheaper.....
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Thanks for the tipoff Duvie! I just ordered a 4400 off of Mwave. It's still in stock there while zipzoomfly and tigerdirect are apparently out.

I was actually considering getting the 4600 or the 4800 but that's just a whole 'nother universe of spending money... even as it is I haven't spent this much money on a CPU since that Pentium I back in '94... :D

EDIT: Now Mwave is out of the 4400 too... I'm crossing my fingers that I get a tracking number and not a back order notice... ack
 
Capt Caveman

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: bob661
LOL@Duvie! Ok. I think $100+ is a little high but that could be due to high demand at Newegg. Even if it was straight up gouging, I'd still buy from them because their service and shipping is excellent. I don't always look for the cheapest deal. Most of the time I end up getting the cue stick if I go cheap.
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Newegg = Screwegg. I got my X2 4400+ from mwave for $625. They called me within a couple of hours after I ordered to let me know that my order shipped and to expect an email with tracking info later in the day. I then got my X2 a day earlier than scheduled. Mwave rocks!
 
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boutrousboutrous

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I had a 4400+ combo waiting at Monarch that just got delayed until July 11th. No telling if it will actually arrive by then either. I've asked them to upgrade me to a 4600+ (which they claim to have in stock), but no response so far...
 
Zebo

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As far as Ocing most likely it can go as high as the 4400+'s are ocing right now....
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Maybe higher.... less cache = less problems. Highest X2 OC's I'm seeing are 512 x 2 cache chips.
 
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