Is $3200 - $300 Mail In Rebate Good for a 42" Plasma TV?

Caveman

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Here's the link to a model sold at Costco for $3200 - $300 Mail In Rebate

It's a 42" plasma TV with HD compatibility and XGA resolution. It's made by "SAMPO" which I had never heard of prior to today but was told that it is a Sony sister company...

What is DVI out? I'd like to be able to use the plasma monitor as a computer monitor as well as a TV screen. Does the DVI allow me to do this? I'm thinking in terms of the ATI 9700Pro in a future upgrade. Does this have the DVI capability?

Also, please edjumacate me on the pros and cons of Plasma TVs', vs LCD, etc... This seems to fit into my budget barely, so I really want to make it happen if it's a "smart investment".

http://www.sampoamericas.com/prod_PME-42S6.php
 

vfdfs2

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Who told you Sampo was Son'y sisters company?

Sampo is a Taiwanese company.

I doubt that it has anything to do with Sony.



Originally posted by: Caveman
Here's the link to a model sold at Costco for $3200 - $300 Mail In Rebate

It's a 42" plasma TV with HD compatibility and XGA resolution. It's made by "SAMPO" which I had never heard of prior to today but was told that it is a Sony sister company...

What is DVI out? I'd like to be able to use the plasma monitor as a computer monitor as well as a TV screen. Does the DVI allow me to do this? I'm thinking in terms of the ATI 9700Pro in a future upgrade. Does this have the DVI capability?

Also, please edjumacate me on the pros and cons of Plasma TVs', vs LCD, etc... This seems to fit into my budget barely, so I really want to make it happen if it's a "smart investment".

http://www.sampoamericas.com/prod_PME-42S6.php

 

cmbehan

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a: I wouldn't spend $3000+ on high end electronics from a no name company
b: (based entirely on what I've heard) do not get a plasma TV unless you are watching HDTV content almost exclusively. The resolution on those things is so good that it makes the average signal from even the best standard TV content look horrible.

You're better off looking at a place like crazyeddie.com and pickingup a plasma for $4xxx, but I still wouldn't bite with so littel actual HD programming out there.
 

Caveman

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I'm confused... How does having great resolution somhow change the quality of the picture coming in ona standard TV signal?
 

RobK

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Go to AVSForum.com and search for SAMPO PLASMA. There your questions will be answered.
 

cmbehan

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Originally posted by: Caveman
I'm confused... How does having great resolution somhow change the quality of the picture coming in ona standard TV signal?

It makes the imperfections that you get in standard def analog signals more apparent, and slightly irritating. I have a 65" Rear Projection HDTV, and for movies and HDTV, it's wonderful, but for standard TV, I'd rather watch on my old JVC 32" standard tube. The Plasma's emphsize these imperfection even more.
 

Dznuts007

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Originally posted by: vfdfs2
Who told you Sampo was Son'y sisters company?

Sampo is a Taiwanese company.

I doubt that it has anything to do with Sony.
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Just because Sony is a Japanese company and Sampo is a Taiwanese company doesn't mean that they can't be sister companies. When I went to elementary school, it was a predominantly white elementary school...but 2 cities away there was a predominantly hispanic elementary school, but we were sister schools... :p
 

sxr7171

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There are several things to say:

1. No consumer electronics porduct is an "investment." Do not fool yourself into thinking that it is. If you want to buy it, do so with the understanding that it will likely be worth half next year. This may be an aggresive prognostication but you get the idea. I'm not discouraging you from buying it, but just understand why you are buying it. I myself have spent well into the five figures on certain high-end audio products, and I know I did it because I really value my system at that price - but keep in mind this is pure comsumption and there is no investment component whatsoever.

2. cmbehan is right about the HDTV aspect for two reasons. The first is that if most of the programming you watch is regular 4:3 ratio material, you are likely to be disappointed with the size of a 4:3 image on the 16:9 aspect ratio screens. Just go to a store and look at a regular 42" rear projection wide screen tv, and stand as far back as your sofa is from your wall. Either ask for a 4:3 program to be played or simply visualize it in your head, you may not be satisfied with the image size. The second issue is that all HDTVs have internal upscaling chips to "convert" your regular low-res TV signal to a line doubled image for display on an HDTV display. If your cable signal is strong you can get very good results, if not you can get worse than normal results. The major distinction between a rear projection TV and a Plasma in this regard is that a Plasma screen is a fixed pixel display and image processing cannot be disabled since the image has to converted to the native resolution of the plasma screen. Also different plasma monitors do better than others in this area.

3. Finally, there is still much debate about plasma screens and their overall visual quality. Although these issues are getting addressed in newer monitors, a monitor on clearance is likely of an older pedigree. These may not be issues that bother you at all though, since many of these issues are discussed by videophiles who really care greatly about the performance of a display unit and it's fidelity to a real visual scene. Therefore the best thing for you to do about investigating this aspect of plasma screens is to do as RobK said: visit AVSforum.

Good luck in making your decision, and I hope I didn't confuse you. I don't consider myself a videophile and I get really confused myself when I try to make good buying decisions based on all the information available out there.
 

Dznuts007

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I don't think I'd trust a brand like Sampo...

Yeah, I'd like to also agree with Sxr7171. Shouldn't consider it an investment. It's funny how people always say "I'll just wait until later when the price drops..." You're screwed if you buy it now, you're screwed if you buy it later. Why? Because if you wait for the price to drop, newer things come out and it'll be considered almost obsolete and you'll be unhappy with it sooner. If you buy it now, you'll be paying more. So if you want it, just buy it...don't think of it as an investment because you're not going to make any money off of it. But don't buy the Sampo brand..hah hah
 
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I've seen them working in kiosks in a mall that I had to re-image thier pc's at. It was very nice(2yrs old still no bad pixels), but they were using a vhs demo setup, unless you are going to be more than 15ft. away, the image appears really grainy. Would be good for those with dss or hdtv from a good cable company, but I agree vhs, or standard cable, antenae(if anyone still uses those....things) would look terrible at any close distances. The native resolution was wierd though, something like 2480x1640, don't expect any gaming cards to hit that res with dvi.
 

corinthos

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I had been eyeing a Sony Plasma TV at Costco... man did Shrek look good on that mutha... wish I had the dough!
 

targg

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Here's my 2c, and I actually own one of these so its not random opinion or heresy. Sampo is not a sony "sister company". They havent got a thing to do with each other. These panels are built on Fuji flat panels although fuji doesnt market their own sets directly. Sampo is a big company that makes products on a perceived value/quality scale as say a samsung. Not as good as a sony/toshiba sort of level but certainly not "boo-bobs tv's and video emporium" level.

I would buy one of these if you need the 'flatness' or if the 'coolness of flat' makes it worth $3000 to you. I happen to have a shallow alcove in the built in entertainment center thats about 4" taller than the plasma and a foot or so wider. Its either that or a 13" tv or one sitting on the floor in front of the only window in the room. Hence worth it to me.

With regards to using it as a computer monitor, the native resolution of this set is about 852x480, a typical 16x9 resolution for basic plasma glass. more expensive sets will have a higher resolution. This means your pc will look ok on it at that resolution, at higher resolutions its going to be down-converted to 852x480 and not look substantially better. Make sure your video card can do 852x480 as a standard or optional resolution with this set. On mine, XP does see it, know what it is, and my laptop with the older ati mobility chip can use it. Its not real pleasing though after using native 1024x768 on the lappy most of the time. But its big, if you have a vision issue or want to play video's off your lappy, its ok. As a full screen monitor unless you're going to sit pretty close, not so useful.

Program sources such as cable, vhs, or even satellite through the s-video using the internal scaler (makes the picture bigger to fill the screen and fills in the gaps between horizontal and vertical pixels)/converter (converts s-video or composite to an rgb signal) are feasible. Most plasmas and this one included do not have any rf input. And if they did you wouldnt want to use it.

Two things: #1 is you WILL get used to fat headed people watching a 4:3 picture stretched to 16x9 mode, and if that just sucks to you there are a couple of modes that inflate and then crop the picture, either from the top or the bottom, to give you a normal picture size, except these have to be up-scaled even more. #2 In a set under 5k the interal scaler/doubler/converter will probably suck and the sampo is no exception. You will get funny color conversions, patchy/creeping areas especially in dark colors, and the set probably wont be able to display both a true black and a true white. What this means is that by itself my plasma displays dark grays as a dark purple and other grays like concrete walls have a bit of hospital gown green in them. Dark scenes may be mostly invisible unless you turn up the brightness at which point daylight scenes require you wear sunglasses. The bottom line is the plasma wants its input from the progressive scan rgb inputs or the 15 pin monitor style inputs from an external scaler/doubler/converter that usually costs a grand or more. Usually more. A 10-15k plasma has higher resolution, more flexible setups, a better scaler/doubler/converter and so forth. Thats why its 10-15k.

Fortunately its possible to solve the problems with a cheap plasma equally as cheaply. Viewsonic makes a couple of boxes, the vb50 and the nextvision n5. They cost $99 and $150 respectively. The vb50 has a better remote and a good picture. The nextvision has a crappy remote, more fine grained tweakability, and a good picture. Both can be bought online from viewsonic, or in a compusa/fry's type of place that sells viewsonic gear. They both work the same way: they take rf/coax input, composite, and s-video, upconvert/double/scale the picture and shoots it out to the rgb 15 pin input on the plasma. MUCH better than the internal scaler. Blacks are black. Whites are white. Grays are gray, etc. And you have two sets of picture controls - the plasma and the viewsonic device - to tweak to get the picture the way you want it. I'm damn happy with the sampo plasma and a vb50 although its not as perfect as a 10k set. The vb50/n5 are also pretty cool setups for their originally intended purpose, allowing you to watch tv on a plain old computer monitor, either tube or flat lcd, and since the output is high definition, making that cheap monitor into a high definition set. Push of a button toggles you between your pc output and the tv source.

Couple of other things: these throw a ridiculous amount of heat. This will raise the temperature of the room its in by 3 degrees and its a big room. The speakers in them are crap. You will need a small subwoofer at a minimum and think about an external receiver/speakers. They were slotted for multimedia usage for things like slapping on the wall of a board-room for powerpoint presentations and watching the occasional ceo speech from afar, not exactly for watching tv on at the house, although thats where most of them are being sold.

ALL THAT having been said, if as mentioned initially you dont NEED the flatness or coolness, spend half the money on a quality rear projection hdtv thats got a larger screen and better capabilities and leave it at that.

Any questions?
 

targg

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Oh one more thing. There was a DVI question. DVI is the connector that you would use to connect an HDTV tuner or the hdtv output of your satellite receiver (if your receiver does hdtv). I havent seen DVI out before, but I imagine that lets you connect your receiver to your tv, then the tv to something else whatever that might be. Its in place of s-video or component/rgb input to the set.

Here's the rub: there is movement to change the existing dvi connector to impose encryption stuff on it that would allow program source providers (networks, movie studio's, etc) to set a few bits in the program stream that would disable you from copying the content or recording it either at all or during certain times. In short, PPV movie channels might set their movies to "no record, no copy", and NBC might set one of their more popular sitcoms to "no record" when they're first run but allow recording when they go into repeats.

Obviously this is a bad thing. It also may make the current incarnation of dvi useless. It may also force you to replace every video product you own with one that supports this crap in order to move to hdtv in 4-5 years.

Thats what dvi is.
 

lwlee

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targg,

Good comprehensive review.

I've been eyeing the Panasonic 42" on ebay for $3600. How's the scaler on these models? Better than Sampo?

Given the quality on the Sampo, how is it for viewing regular broadcast and cable tv? Is it fairly close to a good flat screen tv like the Wega or Tau? Or will I regret buying it and replacing my Tau?

At Best Buy, I haven't noticed the untrue blacks that you have mentioned. The plasmas that I have seen, I think it was the Philips 42", seem to have an outstanding picture with great clarity and color.

lwlee


Originally posted by: targg
Here's my 2c, and I actually own one of these so its not random opinion or heresy. Sampo is not a sony "sister company". They havent got a thing to do with each other. These panels are built on Fuji flat panels although fuji doesnt market their own sets directly. Sampo is a big company that makes products on a perceived value/quality scale as say a samsung. Not as good as a sony/toshiba sort of level but certainly not "boo-bobs tv's and video emporium" level.

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mrwade

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On Costco.com, the TV is 3299.99 less the 300 dollars, shipping is 199.99........Right here!

If this is the same unit Gateway is selling for 2999, Gateway has the better deal. Gateway TV has TV tuner built-in (not HD), Gateway shipping is cheaper 149.99 and includes installation, Costco shipping is including uppacking only.

HOWEVER, Costco has a tendency to take back stuff for long time after purchase, Gateway has 15 day return policy.
 

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Targg,
Just want to let you know how much I appreciate your indepth review. You really help us plasma newbies with your knowledge and experience.

thank You,
Pigseye
 

SrikanthAG

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I just love all these comments about Sampo being a "no name" or "I don't think I'd trust a brand like Sampo". Give me a break. Sampo has been around a long time, and they've been in the plasma business for a decent amount of time too. Just because you have never heard of it (most likely because you have only bought things in the US) doesn't instantly make it a bad brand. I guess you would say Matsushita is a "no name" as well.
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Originally posted by: SrikanthAG
I just love all these comments about Sampo being a "no name" or "I don't think I'd trust a brand like Sampo". Give me a break. Sampo has been around a long time, and they've been in the plasma business for a decent amount of time too. Just because you have never heard of it (most likely because you have only bought things in the US) doesn't instantly make it a bad brand. I guess you would say Matsushita is a "no name" as well.
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Thats different becasue matsushita is panasonic and i beleive they call it national in taiwan. Sampo is just not an established name in the US yet. Preception is reality.
 

SrikanthAG

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Well more like ignorance is the reality here (i.e. the Matsushita comment, and actually Panasonic and National stem from Matsushita, and it's Japan, not Taiwan Matsushita).:D
 

RichieZ

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I am aware that matsushita is a japanese company, my first cd recorder was a matsushita 7502B 4X SCSI CDR.

I just mentioned it was called national in taiwan, because I was very surprised that they would use that name in taiwan. Thats like using matsushita in the US, except its even stranger since they're so close to japan.

I'm taiwanese so if anything I would be biased toward sampo, but even when I'm in taiwan my cousins all have the pioneer plasmas.

I myself am partial to samsung now, I love my 1900FP :D