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IRS Wants more money from me

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
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in 2005 I recieved a ~10k stock award from the company.

I have a pay stub dictating that I paid taxes on that stock award.

The gross stock award was ~6k

I shortly after liquidated the stocks I probably gained an additional ~300.00 dollars when I liquidated the stock.

They say I still owe them ~2200.00 capital gains tax as well??? this makes no sense to me.
 

FoBoT

No Lifer
Apr 30, 2001
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did you report the acquisition and sale of the stock on your 2005 tax forms?
how did your W-2 classify the stock?
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
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Originally posted by: FoBoT
did you report the acquisition and sale of the stock on your 2005 tax forms?
how did your W-2 classify the stock?

I don't know. I don't prepare my taxes. Should I be bitching at my accountant?
 

brxndxn

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: FoBoT
did you report the acquisition and sale of the stock on your 2005 tax forms?
how did your W-2 classify the stock?

I don't know. I don't prepare my taxes. Should I be bitching at my accountant?

It's better than bitching at us!
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
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Originally posted by: brxndxn
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: FoBoT
did you report the acquisition and sale of the stock on your 2005 tax forms?
how did your W-2 classify the stock?

I don't know. I don't prepare my taxes. Should I be bitching at my accountant?

It's better than bitching at us!

Well I was hoping to be told if I just need to provide proof to the IRS that I already paid taxes on this or if It is likely I do owe another 2k.
 

Jawo

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Sounds like you paid taxes on the gift and then the IRS wants capital gains taxes....but since they are the IRS they can fark you and double dip.
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
Jul 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: Jawo
Sounds like you paid taxes on the gift and then the IRS wants capital gains taxes....but since they are the IRS they can fark you and double dip.

How is capital gains tax of 2000.00 justified on a ~300.00 capital gain??? :confused:

If I do infact owe them another ~2k that would be close to 65% tax on a 10k award.......doesn't seem normal to me. Thats more than you would pay on a powerball win.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Jawo
Sounds like you paid taxes on the gift and then the IRS wants capital gains taxes....but since they are the IRS they can fark you and double dip.

How is capital gains tax of 2000.00 justified on a ~300.00 capital gain??? :confused:

If I do infact owe them onther ~2k that would be close to 65% tax on a 10k award.......doesn't seem normal to me. Thats more than you would pay on a powerball win.

My guess... withholding on your stock. normal. basis on the stock is your COST, which is zero

capital gains is profit - cost, = 6300 - 0 at some 33% = 2200

But you may want to ask your accountant. That is what you're paying him for, right?
 

FoBoT

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take the letter the IRS sent you to whoever prepared your taxes that year and they'll handle it

i.e give the IRS letter to your accountant
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
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Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Jawo
Sounds like you paid taxes on the gift and then the IRS wants capital gains taxes....but since they are the IRS they can fark you and double dip.

How is capital gains tax of 2000.00 justified on a ~300.00 capital gain??? :confused:

If I do infact owe them onther ~2k that would be close to 65% tax on a 10k award.......doesn't seem normal to me. Thats more than you would pay on a powerball win.

My guess... withholding on your stock. normal. basis on the stock is your COST, which is zero

capital gains is profit - cost, = 6300 - 0 at some 33% = 2200

But you may want to ask your accountant. That is what you're paying him for, right?

See that doesn't make sense to me. Why would anyone want to give stock over cash then. I'm demanding cash next time.
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
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Originally posted by: FoBoT
take the letter the IRS sent you to whoever prepared your taxes that year and they'll handle it

i.e give the IRS letter to your accountant

I plan on it but this does seem screwy right?
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Jawo
Sounds like you paid taxes on the gift and then the IRS wants capital gains taxes....but since they are the IRS they can fark you and double dip.

How is capital gains tax of 2000.00 justified on a ~300.00 capital gain??? :confused:

If I do infact owe them onther ~2k that would be close to 65% tax on a 10k award.......doesn't seem normal to me. Thats more than you would pay on a powerball win.

My guess... withholding on your stock. normal. basis on the stock is your COST, which is zero

capital gains is profit - cost, = 6300 - 0 at some 33% = 2200

But you may want to ask your accountant. That is what you're paying him for, right?

See that doesn't make sense to me. Why would anyone want to give stock over cash then. I'm demanding cash next time.

no it definitely doesn't make sense. since it was a gift with 0 cost, your basis might be the 6k fmv. too lazy right now to do the research; the research that your tax accountant should be doing ;)

logic would say that you should only be paying capital gains on the 300. you might've forgotten to fill out some form or incorrectly classified something?

fern? CPA?
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
Jul 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Jawo
Sounds like you paid taxes on the gift and then the IRS wants capital gains taxes....but since they are the IRS they can fark you and double dip.

How is capital gains tax of 2000.00 justified on a ~300.00 capital gain??? :confused:

If I do infact owe them onther ~2k that would be close to 65% tax on a 10k award.......doesn't seem normal to me. Thats more than you would pay on a powerball win.

My guess... withholding on your stock. normal. basis on the stock is your COST, which is zero

capital gains is profit - cost, = 6300 - 0 at some 33% = 2200

But you may want to ask your accountant. That is what you're paying him for, right?

See that doesn't make sense to me. Why would anyone want to give stock over cash then. I'm demanding cash next time.

no it definitely doesn't make sense. since it was a gift with 0 cost, your basis might be the 6k fmv. too lazy right now to do the research; the research that your tax accountant should be doing ;)

logic would say that you should only be paying capital gains on the 300. you might've forgotten to fill out some form or incorrectly classified something?

fern? CPA?

yeah im just a little nervous. an unexpected $2200.00 bill to the govt. isn't what you want to see right before holiday season.
 

FoBoT

No Lifer
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i don't really know, but my guess would be it just wasn't reported correctly

the part of your OP that is confusing is you don't say how many shares they gave you, just $ amounts. they can't really give you $ amount, they either gave you X or Y number of shares
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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definitely sounds wrong...

Property Received
for Services

If you receive property for services, include the property's FMV in income. The amount you include in income becomes your basis. If the services were performed for a price agreed on beforehand, it will be accepted as the FMV of the property if there is no evidence to the contrary.

Anyway, go call your accountant =P
 

CPA

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I'm a little confused.

Did you receive a stock option and then exercise it ("liquidate" it)?

Or did you receive stock and immediately cash it in?

Do you have your W2 from that year and did it show the earnings related to the stock? It should.
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
Jul 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: FoBoT
i don't really know, but my guess would be it just wasn't reported correctly

the part of your OP that is confusing is you don't say how many shares they gave you, just $ amounts. they can't really give you $ amount, they either gave you X or Y number of shares

Stock awards are determined by the closing price on the N.Y. Stock Exchange on the first trading day of the calendar month following (1) approval of the request for stock award, and (2) processing of the approved award request by the Corporation or participating company.

U.S. Domestic-based employees of majority-owned companies, the number of shares to be awarded will be rounded up to the nearest whole number of shares equal to $10,000

Your stock award is considered imputed income, which means that we add the earnings amount to your income for tax purposes only, so that the applicable taxes are withheld. These earnings are reflected in your Box 1 earnings and your taxes are reflected in the appropriate boxes as well on your W-2 (This information is not a separate form or line item but is included on the W-2.)

WILL TAXES BE WITHHELD FROM MY DIVIDENDS?
The U.S. Internal Revenue Service (IRS) requires shareowners that have a U.S. Taxpayer Identification Number or Social Security Number to provide that number for every company in which they own shares that are directly registered in their name on the records of the transfer agent. When necessary, the IRS also requires certification of your taxpayer identification number by completion of Form W-9. Copies of Form W9 are mailed to U.S. persons receiving stock awards or can be obtained from Computershare?s website.

Computershare must report to the IRS dividend income amounts paid to registered shareowners during a calendar year. A copy of the report, Form 1099DIV, will be mailed to shareowners no later than January 31 of the year following the one in which you were paid at least $10.00 in dividends. Dividend payments are reportable whether a dividend payment is issued by a check, directly deposited to your bank account, or reinvested into additional shares of stock. To obtain this dividend information or a duplicate 1099DIV contact Computershare.

When shares are sold from your account at Computershare or a payment on shares is issued as a result of shares tendered or a similar transaction, Computershare must report gross proceeds of the transaction to the IRS. A copy of the report, Form 1099B, will be mailed to you no later than January 31 if you sold your shares in the prior year. To obtain a replacement Form 1099B contact Computershare.

Income from sources within the United States, such as dividends and interest that are received by a non-resident alien are subject to a 28% tax rate, or a lower rate if the United States has a tax treaty with your country. The withholding will take place at the time of the payment. To claim a reduced rate of, or an exemption from, withholding, non-U.S. persons must submit a Form W8BEN to Computershare. Copies are mailed to non-U.S. persons when they receive a stock award, or you can obtain a copy from Computershare?s website (www.computershare.com/investor). To obtain this dividend information or a duplicate Form 1042S, you must contact Computershare.

Under Federal law, Computershare must withhold 28% of dividend payments and sale proceeds from a shareowner who fails to comply with certain IRS regulations such as providing a taxpayer identification number or certifying (with Form W9 and W8BEN) that you are not subject to backup withholding. The withholding will take place at the time of the payment.
 

CPA

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Okay, got it.

The recording of the $10,000 and the tax withholding on your W2 is due to the fact that the IRS requires the award grant be declared as imputed income. This is seperate and unrelated to the actual sale of the stock. Once you sell the stock you must pay capital gains on the difference between the amount you received and your basis - which is equal to the amount you paid for it $0 plus the amount you reported as income (fair market value). You should have received a 1099B from Computershare showing the sale and given it to your accountant. If you did, it sounds like the accountant did not properly include the sale on Schedule D so the IRS does not know what your basis is and concludes that it was $0. At the end you should only have a gain of the $300.
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
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Originally posted by: CPA
Okay, got it.

The recording of the $10,000 and the tax withholding on your W2 is due to the fact that the IRS requires the award grant be declared as imputed income. This is seperate and unrelated to the actual sale of the stock. Once you sell the stock you must pay capital gains on the difference between the amount you received and your basis - which is equal to the amount you paid for it $0 plus the amount you reported as income (fair market value). You should have received a 1099B from Computershare showing the sale and given it to your accountant. If you did, it sounds like the accountant did not properly include the sale on Schedule D so the IRS does not know what your basis is and concludes that it was $0. At the end you should only have a gain of the $300.

thanks you da man!
 

Orsorum

Lifer
Dec 26, 2001
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Originally posted by: CPA
Okay, got it.

The recording of the $10,000 and the tax withholding on your W2 is due to the fact that the IRS requires the award grant be declared as imputed income. This is seperate and unrelated to the actual sale of the stock. Once you sell the stock you must pay capital gains on the difference between the amount you received and your basis - which is equal to the amount you paid for it $0 plus the amount you reported as income (fair market value). You should have received a 1099B from Computershare showing the sale and given it to your accountant. If you did, it sounds like the accountant did not properly include the sale on Schedule D so the IRS does not know what your basis is and concludes that it was $0. At the end you should only have a gain of the $300.

Yep.

Record keeping is your friend.
 

PokerGuy

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I had to read and re-read the OP to figure out what exactly was going on, but it looks to me like basically you were given stock options as compensation for work -- that would make it income. So basically, you made $10,000 in income and paid income tax on it.

Then, you sold the stock (exercised the optiod), so you would have to pay capital gains taxes on the gains in the value of the stock. The cost basis for the stock would be the value you put on it as part of your income when you received it, but if your taxes were not filed correctly, the IRS would figure the cost basis is "0" and you owe $2200 in cap gains tax.

Should be easily fixable, though anything dealing with the IRS is usually anything but "easy".