IRS more popular than Tea Party according to Fox News Poll?

Phokus

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This is a bit startling. Maybe conservatives will stop using that stupid narrative about how Americans want 'limited gubmint' and how Obama (who polled the highest) pulled a fast one on everyone with his 'change you can believe in' slogan? Or maybe the tea party is just so unpopular due to their views and how they conduct themselves that nobody except idiots like them.

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0408/fox-news-poll-finds-irs-rates-americans-tea-party/

After months upon months of enthusiastic, cheer-leading coverage of any rally that involved tea, tea bagging or tea partying, the Fox News network has miraculously disproved itself by producing a new poll that finds Americans think more highly of the Internal Revenue Service than they do the vocal conservative minority.

Atop the fourth page of a Fox News Opinion Dynamics poll released April 8, the questioner explains that respondents would be read a series of names and asked whether their opinion is positive or not. The most popular among the names is Barack Obama, who scored a 50 percent approval rating. Second was the Internal Revenue Service, at 49 percent.

Down below Democrats and even below Republicans is the "Tea Party," at 36 percent approval. This particular poll's questions reference the "Tea Party" as though it were a unified group, akin to a third party actor, instead of what it really is: a disparate collection of middle to fringe right wing groups that originally came together as an organizing platform for Congressman Ron Paul, but were popularly coopted and briefly organized by old guard Republicans into a series of loud and angry demonstrations against the health reform laws.

Naturally, ratings for individual political leaders were lower than ratings given to entire political parties, but when asked about Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, respondents were especially harsh, giving them 16 and 29 percent favorability, respectively.

The only single politician who scored lower than Democratic leadership was House Minority Leader John Boehner, one of the GOP's top men and a key public face for the party, with just 12 percent approval.
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Naturally, Fox News went on to ask poll respondents questions like how in-line they think their values are with the "Tea Party" and whether they were less likely to vote for their congressperson if they cast a yes ballot on health reform. They also asked people to rate how health reform made them "feel," set to a scale of "good" or "bad," and if they "feel" like the United States' economy will suffer because of the new laws.

The placement of the IRS in double-digits over the "Tea Party" in favorability is startling, especially considering how vocal most of the group's loudest activists are concerning taxes. Though virtually all lower and middle class Americans received a tax cut by President Obama, 90 percent of tea party respondents to a February CBS poll were oblivious to this fact.

"Fox’s poll finding is particularly humorous considering that a recent conservative attack on health care reform has been to falsely claim that it would lead to the hiring of 16,500 IRS agents to enforce the law," noted Matt Corley, writing for Think Progress. “'I suspect every Republican candidate will campaign on a promise to cut off all funding in January for the 16,000 IRS agents,' said Newt Gingrich recently. 'You don’t need a health Gestapo in the United States.'”

In a separate CBS poll released Thursday, the network found that most Americans have a negative opinion of Sarah Palin, which the news organization called "a sort of spokesperson" for the tea parties.

According to their analysis, 38 percent of Americans have an unfavorable opinion of the former politician, whereas just 24 percent like her. Among Republicans that rating is much higher: 43 percent view Palin favorably, while another 41 percent either didn't have enough information or simply could not decide.

Because of her recent speech to the 67th annual Wine and Spirits Wholesalers of America expo (which received rather bitter reviews), Palin was offered $25,000 by Nevadans for Sensible Marijuana Laws to give a short pep talk to their group. ​"There's no reason why former Governor Palin should reject our offer," a spokesman jokingly said, citing how much safer cannabis is than alcohol.

One possible reason why she'd decline: according to The New York Times, Palin charges up to $100,000 per appearance -- something that even tea partiers have chided her for and a fee the alcohol purveyors presumably paid.

Though she did not address any issues specific to the wine and spirits industries, Palin did emphasize one term in particular during he speech to the conference. According to Tom Wark's wine blog, she was all about "deregulation" in a fuzzy, non-specific sense: likely the wrong theme to employ while speaking to a room of professionals who serve an industry that strongly supports special regulations springing from the 21st Amendment to the Constitution, which Palin would now appear to be against, just on general principle.


https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/040810_Obama_HC_2010_web.pdf

Barack Obama
50%
The Internal Revenue Service
49%
The Democratic Party
42%
The Republican Party
40%
The Tea Party Movement
36%
Nancy Pelosi
29%
Harry Reid
16%
John Boehner
12%


edit: from woolfe:

The most objective way to measure this is the ratio of approve/disapprove. That method factors out all the neutrals and never heard ofs.

For the IRS, it's 49/38, a 1.26:1 ratio of approve to disapprove.

For the tea party, it's 36/34, a 1.06:1 ratio of approve to disapprove.

Incidentally, Boehner fairs considerably better than Pelosi or Reid by that method. Sadly, most people have apparently never heard of Boehner, which is why he has such low approval and disapproval numbers. I say sadly, because you'd think at least half of the populace would know who the top 2 or 3 people in each party are.

- wolf
 
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Fear No Evil

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Number of Democrat elected officials who haven't lied about racist comments from Tea Party members... 0%
 

UberNeuman

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Number of Democrat elected officials who haven't lied about racist comments from Tea Party members... 0%

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Phokus

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Number of Democrat elected officials who haven't lied about racist comments from Tea Party members... 0%

http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/racepolitics.html

Approximately 45 % whites either strongly or somewhat approve of the movement. Of those, only 35% believe blacks to be hardworking, only 45 % believe blacks are intelligent, and only 41% think that blacks are trustworthy. Perceptions of Latinos aren’t much different. While 50% of white tea party supporters believe Latinos to be hardworking, only 39% think them intelligent, and at 37%, fewer tea party supporters believe Latinos to be trustworthy.


It found that those who are racially resentful, who believe the U.S. government has done too much to support blacks, are 36 percent more likely to support the tea party than those who are not.

Indeed, strong support for the tea party movement results in a 45 percent decline in support for health care reform compared with those who oppose the tea party. "While it's clear that the tea party in one sense is about limited government, it's also clear from the data that people who want limited government don't want certain services for certain kinds of people. Those services include health care," Parker said.

He directed the Multi-State Survey of Race and Politics, a broad look at race relations and politics in contemporary America. The survey reached 1,015 residents of Nevada, Michigan, Missouri, Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia and California. All were battleground states in the 2008 presidential election with the exception of California, which was included in the survey to represent the West Coast.

Also, it's amazing how democrats can sway the general population so much by a few people calling them racists. Maybe the democrats should just call the republicans racist 24/7 and win every single election from now to infinity.

More brilliant insight from FNE, folks.
 

Fear No Evil

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A simpleton who attempts to hide behind words such as "niggar" and "water the tree of liberty."

/spineless cowards for the most part...:D

Spineless how? Spineless like ordering the murder of American citizens without a trial spineless or spineless like killing innocent people from an unmanned drone spineless?
 

UberNeuman

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Spineless how? Spineless like ordering the murder of American citizens without a trial spineless or spineless like killing innocent people from an unmanned drone spineless?

:D:D:D

\take your fight up with Harvey, spineless boy...:D
 

heyheybooboo

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...House Minority Leader John Boehner, one of the GOP's top men and a key public face for the party, with just 12 percent approval

That's surprising.

I thought it would be much lower than that.




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Amused

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For all of Phokus' rants about the GOP being liars, he sure likes to propagate lies from the other side.

If anyone bothered to click through to the actual poll, they'd see that the IRS is NOT "more popular" but simple better known than the Tea Party.

The poll actually shows that people gave a higher UNFAVORABLE rating to the IRS than the Tea Party. 30% of the Tea Party's count went to "Cant say/Never Heard" while only 13% went to "Can't say" and 0 to "Never Heard" for the IRS.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/040810_Obama_HC_2010_web.pdf

Tea Party
Favorable/Unfavorable/Cant say/Never Heard
....36............34............16...........13

IRS:
Favorable/Unfavorable/Cant say/Never Heard
....49............38............13..........0

But then, why let facts get in the way of a good old fashioned partisan circle jerk?

Phokus, when are you going to learn that the left is no better than the right and vice-versa? Posting the left's propaganda will get you just as owned as posting the right's.
 
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Jaskalas

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Phokus, when are you going to learn that the left is no better than the right and vice-versa? Posting the left's propaganda will get you just as owned as posting the right's.

If "just as owned" means their two parties retaining permanent control over the rest of us, then mission accomplished.

Politics is a battle of lies.
 

cubby1223

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Who let Phokus back in to the forums?

Everyone, prepare for massive numbers of new threads calling everything any conservative does, as racist.
 

Phokus

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For all of Phokus' rants about the GOP being liars, he sure likes to propagate lies from the other side.

If anyone bothered to click through to the actual poll, they'd see that the IRS is NOT "more popular" but simple better known than the Tea Party.

The poll actually shows that people gave a higher UNFAVORABLE rating to the IRS than the Tea Party. 30% of the Tea Party's count went to "Cant say/Never Heard" while only 13% went to "Can't say" and 0 to "Never Heard" for the IRS.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/040810_Obama_HC_2010_web.pdf

Tea Party
Favorable/Unfavorable/Cant say/Never Heard
....36............34............16...........13

IRS:
Favorable/Unfavorable/Cant say/Never Heard
....49............38............13..........0

But then, why let facts get in the way of a good old fashioned partisan circle jerk?

Phokus, when are you going to learn that the left is no better than the right and vice-versa? Posting the left's propaganda will get you just as owned as posting the right's.

Ahahaha, if you took all 13 percent of people who have never heard of the Tea Party and gave them a 'favorable' view, they would be on par with the IRS. And what do you think that 100% of them would? I would put the 'can't say' people as more neutral.

And you would have to be really dishonest to believe that 100% of all those 13 percenters would have a favorable view of the tea party if they paid more attention to them.

Amused, you are the LAST person who should talk about lies.

After i posted the revelation that all of the ACORN tapes were doctored, i was unsurprised that so many of you and your ilk never bothered to show up in the thread

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2065644

When you gleefully showed up in this one

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=322799

Originally Posted by Amused View Post
Um, no.

Spin:
7.To provide an interpretation of (a statement or event, for example), especially in a way meant to sway public opinion: ?a messenger who spins bogus research into a vile theology of hatred? (William A. Henry III).

The headline was spin. It's an effort to cast doubt on the tapes from the start and cast ACORN as the victim.

Good call Amused, they were, in fact, victims
 
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Amused

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Nice try,. Phokus. Why is it, whenever we talk about one thing, you bring up another thread or topic as if it proves your argument? It's not a valid argument nor does it accomplish anything but to make you look like an obsessive fool.

The title of this article and thread is misleading, because the poll numbers were taken out of context.

The IRS got a HIGHER unfavorable rating than the Tea Party, and the Tea Party was less known, and less sure of than the IRS.

It doesn't mean what you, and the author of the blog want it to mean. Sorry.

And all the dodging, thread digging and topic shifting in the world won't change that.
 

Phokus

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Nice try,. Phokus. Why is it, whenever we talk about one thing, you bring up another thread or topic as if it proves your argument? It's not a valid argument nor does it accomplish anything but to make you look like an obsessive fool.

The title of this article and thread is misleading, because the poll numbers were taken out of context.

The IRS got a HIGHER unfavorable rating than the Tea Party, and the Tea Party was less known, and less sure of than the IRS.

It doesn't mean what you, and the author of the blog want it to mean. Sorry.

And all the dodging, thread digging and topic shifting in the world won't change that.

The only one who's misleading who's dodging is you. You won't own up to the fact that you lied like a POS about ACORN. I'm so happy that i dug up that thread and quoted you and your ilk out about that. You had the backs of people who actually doctored the film and we pointed out the evidence of the fabrication, but you continued on with the lie.

Notice how you never went back to the ACORN thread after i bumped it up or even responded to the new ACORN thread with the revelation about the doctored film? I will face you down anywhere and anytime, whereas you will run like the coward you are.

And is it your contention that the 13% who've never heard of ACORN would all break for a 'favorable' opinion if they were educated about them when it's almost at parity? Even if they did, it'd be close to 50/50. And the mere fact is that the IRS STILL has a MUCH higher favorable view than the tea party does, despite having a smidge higher unfavorable view, you can take YOUR spin and suck it :)
 
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Amused

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The only one who's misleading who's dodging is you. You won't own up to the fact that you lied like a POS about ACORN. I'm so happy that i dug up that thread and quoted you and your ilk out about that. You had the backs of people who actually doctored the film and we pointed out the evidence of the fabrication, but you continued on with the lie.

Notice how you never went back to the ACORN thread after i bumped it up or even responded to the new ACORN thread with the revelation about the doctored film? I will face you down anywhere and anytime, whereas you will run like the coward you are.

And is it your contention that the 13% who've never heard of ACORN would all break for a 'favorable' opinion if they were educated about them when it's almost at parity? Even if they did, it'd be close to 50/50. And the mere fact is that the IRS STILL has a MUCH higher favorable view than the tea party does, despite having a smidge higher unfavorable view, you can take YOUR spin and suck it :)

The fact remains, Phokus, that the IRS has a HIGHER UNFAVORABLE rating than the Tea Party and that the poll does NOT mean what you and this blogger want it to mean.

Deflect all you want, but that fact remains. Come back when you learn how to read a poll and check your sources.
 

Phokus

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The fact remains, Phokus, that the IRS has a HIGHER UNFAVORABLE rating than the Tea Party and that the poll does NOT mean what you and this blogger want it to mean.

Deflect all you want, but that fact remains. Come back when you learn how to read a poll and check your sources.

4% higher unfavorable but 13% higher favorable. Nice spin.

The only person who doesn't know how to read polls is you. The mere fact of the matter is, you can interpret that as 'out of the entire population, more people like the IRS than the Tea Party.' or 'more people have a net favorable view of the IRS than the tea party'.

Sorry about your weak argument though.

Like i said, i will face you down anywhere and anytime, not run like a coward that you are:

I just loved quoting every single one of you and pointing our your stupidity last night:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=322799

So satisfying:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2065644
 
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woolfe9999

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The most surpising thing to me in this poll is the IRS getting a 49% approval rating. That really throws me for a loop. I was under the general impression that everyone hated the IRS. Even people who don't mind the concept of paying taxes in the abstract never seem to have anything good to say about it. Weird.

- wolf
 

Phokus

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The most surpising thing to me in this poll is the IRS getting a 49% approval rating. That really throws me for a loop. I was under the general impression that everyone hated the IRS. Even people who don't mind the concept of paying taxes in the abstract never seem to have anything good to say about it. Weird.

- wolf

If you hate paying taxes, hating the IRS is stupid anyhow. Congress is the one who creates the law, the IRS merely enforces it.

The only thing you could hate the IRS for is maybe how they enforce the law or if they misinterpret it. But the actual law, that's all congress. That's like blaming the police for the illegalization of drugs.

Unfortunately, in this country, when people cry about taxes, the first thing they blame is the IRS
 

IndyColtsFan

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I find it interesting that in one thread, you bash Fox News for backing O'Keefe in the ACORN fiasco and talk about Fox News' lies, manipulation, fact distortion, etc, and now you're trumpeting a poll they performed just because it supports your little view of the world. NICE.
 

Phokus

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lol jokus.

From last night:

It's utterly predictable that conservatives would focus on me rather than the truth. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. If i were as egotistical as they say i am, i would welcome all this attention.

But my point is to rip open their eyelids and make them feel the pain of the truth, to tear the very fabric of their psychotic reality apart.

There is no santa claus, ronald reagan was the catalyst that destroyed our country, and fox news is not, in fact, fair and balanced.

You were one of the idiot conservatives with the one liner ad hom attacks against me and fled the ACORN thread because you couldn't actually defend or argue shit.

GG MOTF.