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slackerinabox

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I saw Iron Man 2 over the weekend and was pretty underwhelmed throughout. Enjoyed the first one but found the 2nd both over stuffed and undercooked - but there's a thread for that already.

I did have a question - so Tony Stark needs that thing in his chest to power the iron man suit: why doesn't War Marchine need it internally? If the power supply can be mounted on a vest, why not get heart surgery and move to an external power supply?

Also, how old is Nick Fury? He should be in his 70s or 80s if he was a contemporary of Howard Stark, right? Or does he have some mutant aging power or something?

Never cared for Iron Man/The Avengers while I was a comic book nerd, so I'm a bit lost.

Thanks!
 
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If you have to have something with you for every moment that you want to be alive, would you want that thing dangling around, waiting to get caught on something or just flopping around in your pocket? It's safer in his chest.

Yeah, Fury is kinda magic like that, but it will be explained later.
 
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stark needs the arc reactor connected at all times to power the electromagnet that keeps the iron particles in his blood from entering his heart and killing him.

other people don't need that so can just have the reactor built in to the suits
 
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freedomsbeat212 said:
Also, how old is Nick Fury? He should be in his 70s or 80s if he was a contemporary of Howard Stark, right? Or does he have some mutant aging power or something?

Thanks!
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Nick Fury was born white okay? He contacted some kind of disease (after being bitten by a m*th*rf*ck*ng snake in a plane) that turned his skin to black and also became bald. Another side effect is that he ages very slowly. :rolleyes:

A similar thing also happened a Spider-man enemy - Kingpin. :hmm:

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vshah said:
stark needs the arc reactor connected at all times to power the electromagnet that keeps the iron particles in his blood from entering his heart and killing him.

other people don't need that so can just have the reactor built in to the suits
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If someone has the ability to synthesize a new element, don't you think they would have the ability to remove those iron particles for good?
 
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Iron Man's heart issues barely made sense when he was trapped in a cave. They certainly do not make sense now. It is best just to not think about them to much.

Nick Fury took Fury juice so he lives a long time.
 
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slackerinabox

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Thanks guys - I totally forgot about the shrapnel thing from the first movie. I assume that person with the resources of Stark could have figured out a post-cave life fix, but it's just a movie :) I thought the power source needed to be hooked up to his heart, hence the confusion about the war machine suit. Which, by the way, how did Rhodes figure out how to use the suit so quickly?
 
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freedomsbeat212 said:
Thanks guys - I totally forgot about the shrapnel thing from the first movie. I assume that person with the resources of Stark could have figured out a post-cave life fix, but it's just a movie :) I thought the power source needed to be hooked up to his heart, hence the confusion about the war machine suit. Which, by the way, how did Rhodes figure out how to use the suit so quickly?
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The suit had inbuilt security to prevent it from being stolen... it was intentionally changed by Stark...
 
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freedomsbeat212 said:
Which, by the way, how did Rhodes figure out how to use the suit so quickly?
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As Rhodes is probably Tony's best friend (of which he has very few), Tony was actually building a suit just for him. If you remember from the first film he actually wanted to bring Rhodes in on the project from the beginning.

So we can either infer that he had actually been working a little with Tony in the time between 1 and 2 and/or Tony designed the suit to work for Rhodes making it more intuitive to use.

freedomsbeat212 said:
Also, how old is Nick Fury? He should be in his 70s or 80s if he was a contemporary of Howard Stark, right? Or does he have some mutant aging power or something?

Never cared for Iron Man/The Avengers while I was a comic book nerd, so I'm a bit lost.

Thanks!
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You should watch (or rewatch) The Incredible Hulk, as there are just as many clues and easter eggs that elude to the coming movies (ie Captain America, The Avengers, etc) that talk of super soldier programs, etc.

So yeah, just as "super science" made the Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America...the same will be true for what makes Nick Fury able to be so old and so fit.
 
HumblePie

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Yep, the new movies are actually doing a decent job of trying to update the "plausibility" of the plot devices used. Actually, Stark could have just gone back to using a car battery for the electro magnet in his chest to keep the sharpnel out of his chest.

However, one would have though by now he could just have had a good surgeon go in there and remove it all or do a heart transplant. At the very worst an artificial heart.

Yah, some things in the movie could have been better from a believability perspective. My gripes were the following:

The shitty saluting by "military" members. Very few movies get this right or close to right. The rest are terrible such as this film. More pet peeve for me though than most people.

How did Rhodes know how to "fly" the suit? Stark spent a long time learning to fly correctly. Also, while Rhodes may have been a pilot before, flying a jet does not equate to the same skillset to flying a suit in a rocket ballistic fashion. Completely different mechanics involved.

Next, is where the hell did Rhodes get the chest power piece and how was it used or attached? He was presumably using the Mark II suit which was made for Stark and no one else.

Why didn't Stark just fly really high like in the first movie and "ice" Rhodes in the Mark II and the droids since we know the Mark II was where he learned about the icing problem? Sure would have prevented his expo from turning into a battle ground.


I also hate the crappy computer "wizardry" that goes on in movies. Seriously Rourke's character shouldn't have been able to magically "hack" a computer by randomly pressing a few keys. It would be one thing if he had a thumbstick and plugged it in to run a program to hack it. That would be almost believable. The high tech magic aspects of movies really is another major pet peeve of mine.

However despite all that I did like the movie because it stayed pretty true to it's roots. It tried to modernize certain aspects of the story line which I liked even while screwing up parts of the believability doing so. All in all, good flick to watch. Not as good as the original, but something worth seeing in the theater at least.
 
Ruptga

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PlasmaBomb said:
Fury takes a special medication called the Infinity Formula that halted his aging and allows him to be active despite being nearly a century old.
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Translation: The character was so well-liked that they've never retired him and made something up to justify it :p
 
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Scarlett Johansson's character also made a comment that the suits can't be stolen and used they have been encoded with DNA. If the DNA does not match one on file that Stark had put in there, then the suit inoperable by that person.

I thought this is what she said at the meeting with Nick Fury and Tony Stark at the doughnut shop.
 
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freedomsbeat212 said:
I saw Iron Man 2 over the weekend and was pretty underwhelmed throughout.

Never cared for Iron Man/The Avengers while I was a comic book nerd, so I'm a bit lost.
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It appears that the movie would not be to your liking as you do not like a developing plot of the overall storyline involved.
 
PlasmaBomb

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Adrenaline said:
Scarlett Johansson's character also made a comment that the suits can't be stolen and used they have been encoded with DNA. If the DNA does not match one on file that Stark had put in there, then the suit inoperable by that person.

I thought this is what she said at the meeting with Nick Fury and Tony Stark at the doughnut shop.
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Indeed... it's almost like Stark wanted the Ironman legacy to continue after he was dead... and it's not like he said "I know what I'm doing" just before antagonising Rhodes...
 
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Patranus said:
In the comics or cartoons was Iron Mans identity a secret?
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He kept his identity secret for years. I think that later, he went public, but I had already stopped reading Iron Man by then. It doesn't help that Marvel keeps rewriting the history of all its heroes.
 
HumblePie

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Adrenaline said:
Scarlett Johansson's character also made a comment that the suits can't be stolen and used they have been encoded with DNA. If the DNA does not match one on file that Stark had put in there, then the suit inoperable by that person.

I thought this is what she said at the meeting with Nick Fury and Tony Stark at the doughnut shop.
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Yes and no. Nick just said there were "redundancies" against intrusion and theft of the suit. Nothing about a DNA check.
 
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ADDAvenger said:
Translation: The character was so well-liked that they've never retired him and made something up to justify it :p
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Side effect of not taking the Infinity Formula is being aged into an old man. Unless something changed, this was used on Fury against his will, and he has to regularly pay a guy to get a yearly shot or he gets old again.
 
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HumblePie said:
Yes and no. Nick just said there were "redundancies" against intrusion and theft of the suit. Nothing about a DNA check.
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Not a DNA check but you had to be authorized by Stark to even use the suit. I thought I had heard DNA in the movies, but I was wrong.
 
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