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[Thraxen]

Oh yeah, you can get it on PC for less? Your one $20 bargain bin game is just a couple bucks shy of getting me probably 6-8 games in a month via Gamefly. Even on PCs most people really only stick with 1 or 2 MP games, the rest you may as well rent anyway. And if nostalgia strikes, I can always rent again.

PCs definitely have advantages, which is why I game on one, but I fail to see why you PC-only guys are so obsessed with consoles. Always bashing them and coming up with with the lame ass points that only prove you have no grasp of why people game on them.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Thraxen
Oh yeah, you can get it on PC for less? Your one $20 bargain bin game is just a couple bucks shy of getting me probably 6-8 games in a month via Gamefly. Even on PCs most people really only stick with 1 or 2 MP games, the rest you may as well rent anyway. And if nostalgia strikes, I can always rent again.

PCs definitely have advantages, which is why I game on one, but I fail to see why you PC-only guys are so obsessed with consoles. Always bashing them and coming up with with the lame ass points that only prove you have no grasp of why people game on them.

i don't care for renting at all ... no obsession with with consoles .. i had the first console and also a Atari x800xl PC ... back in the day .. i just realized early on what a waste the console was - for me. For me, playing 6-8 superficial console games are a waste compared to spending weeks with a single finely crafted PC game ... for $20

i know why people game on consoles. Because they don't better



oh yeah .. i almost forgot the busy parents .. consoles are also for children - it's what they grow up with

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i don't care for renting at all ... no obsession with with consoles .. i had the first console and also a Atari x800xl PC ... back in the day .. i just realized early on what a waste the console was - for me. For me, playing 6-8 superficial console games are a waste compared to spending weeks with a single finely crafted PC game ... for $20

i know why people game on consoles. Because they don't better



oh yeah .. i almost forgot the busy parents .. consoles are also for children - it's what they grow up with

Yeah, yeah... whatever. You only prove your ignorance again. I game on and enjoy all the platforms. You fanboys crack me up.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: apoppin
i don't care for renting at all ... no obsession with with consoles .. i had the first console and also a Atari x800xl PC ... back in the day .. i just realized early on what a waste the console was - for me. For me, playing 6-8 superficial console games are a waste compared to spending weeks with a single finely crafted PC game ... for $20

i know why people game on consoles. Because they don't better



oh yeah .. i almost forgot the busy parents .. consoles are also for children - it's what they grow up with

Yeah, yeah... whatever. You only prove your ignorance again. I game on and enjoy all the platforms. You fanboys crack me up.

You wanted reasons why i prefer PC. i don't think you show anything - to anyone .. other than you need to resort to ridicule when you run out of ways to put your confused thoughts into words.

What are all the platforms you game on? You have them all?
--- that is the *ideal* way if you have lots and lots of money

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: apoppin
You wanted reasons why i prefer PC ?

What are all the platforms you game on? You have them all?
--- that is the *ideal* way if you have lots and lots of money

I am a bit of a gaming fanatic. I have all the current major platforms: PC, Wii, PS3, 360, PSP and DS. Of course, anyone can claim anything on the internet. Here's my current PC (Link) and my game systems (Link). It can take quite a bit of money to keep up, but I tend to ride my PC hardware for a while (though I've obviously recently updated) and use services like Gamefly heavily. I also received a couple of my consoles as gifts... let's just say my in-laws are generous

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: apoppin
You wanted reasons why i prefer PC ?

What are all the platforms you game on? You have them all?
--- that is the *ideal* way if you have lots and lots of money

I am a bit of a gaming fanatic. I have all the current major platforms: PC, Wii, PS3, 360, PSP and DS. Of course, anyone can claim anything on the internet. Here's my current PC (Link) and my game systems (Link). It can take quite a bit of money to keep up, but I tend to ride my PC hardware for a while (though I've obviously recently updated) and use services like Gamefly heavily. I also received a couple of my consoles as gifts... let's just say my in-laws are generous

then that puts you in a completely different situation than from MOST of us, i would say .. and explains why you mostly rent.

i am not ignorant; i think our situations are very different ... i put all my time and energy into *one* gaming platform - one is all i can afford - either time or money - just to keep up. So i chose the PC for the reasons and advantages that i outlined that work for me ... and it has worked very [very] very well for SO many [many] many years ... i am not losing out by sticking to one platform ... the games i like are particularly suited to KB+Mouse and i prefer setting close to a relatively small screen rather than gaming on a big one 10' away.

 

[Larries]

Originally posted by: apoppin

...
And DX10 looks AWESOME over DX9 ... you can fool yourself if you want .. and in 2 years your console GFX will look like crap compared to PC and your game will barely run to keep up with the ever increasing strain of newer console games as it struggles to keep up with the PC .. then the new $750 PS4 console comes out and you drop the old one in the trash or give it to your little brother.

What advantages does a console have over PC?

While graphics is important, I always think there is a point where the average (or casual) people won't notice much difference anymore (there are always hardcore that can pick the smallest difference -- but the majority won't notice -- I even know a LOT of people who can tell the difference between 60Hz and 80Hz in old CRT days!). And I think we are actually getting close to it, when I show some shots of console games to my wife, and the only reason she know this is not a real picture is because of the way the dust looks. Now, how many people actually cares how the shadow of the trees look, or how the dust behind your racing car looks when playing a game?

Also, note that while 2 years later, the console GFX may look crap compared to PC, how many today's PC will run 2 years later games with 2 years later GFX? They may run 2 years later games, but likely in todays graphics level (like on low-medium settings in 2 years later!). So, PC gamers will also need to shell out whatever money you need to upgrade for better GFX anyway.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i am not ignorant; i think our situations are very different ... i put all my time and energy into *one* gaming platform - one is all i can afford - either time or money - just to keep up. So i chose the PC for the reasons and advantages that i outlined that work for me ... and it has worked very [very] very well for SO many [many] many years ... i am not losing out by sticking to one platform ... the games i like are particularly suited to KB+Mouse and i prefer setting close to a relatively small screen rather than gaming on a big one 10' away.

Trust me... I really don't have the time either. I still have games on the shelf that I got as Christmas gifts that are still shrink wrapped. I keep telling myself that I don't need to buy every console that comes out, but I somehow always end up with them one way or another. I sort of regret the Wii. I barely use it all. It has a couple of cool games, but I think I'd have been fine without the system. I even told myself after being disappointed with the Cube that I wouldn't buy the Wii... yet I did anyway. I also haven't played with my portable much recently. I used to have a job that took me on the road nearly every other week and they saw lotsof use then, but that's not the case now. My wife though plays her DS daily. She loves all the portable puzzle games (Sudoku, Picross, etc...). She also loves the XBLA and really has very little interest in playing any games on her laptop. So overall the 360, PS3 and PC see the bulk of the gaming time. With the PC also doing other PC-ly things and the PS3 doubling our DVD/Blu-Ray player.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: apoppin
i am not ignorant; i think our situations are very different ... i put all my time and energy into *one* gaming platform - one is all i can afford - either time or money - just to keep up. So i chose the PC for the reasons and advantages that i outlined that work for me ... and it has worked very [very] very well for SO many [many] many years ... i am not losing out by sticking to one platform ... the games i like are particularly suited to KB+Mouse and i prefer setting close to a relatively small screen rather than gaming on a big one 10' away.

Trust me... I really don't have the time either. I still have games on the shelf that I got as Christmas gifts that are still shrink wrapped. I keep telling myself that I don't need to buy every console that comes out, but I somehow always end up with them one way or another. I sort of regret the Wii. I barely use it all. It has a couple of cool games, but I think I'd have been fine without the system. I even told myself after being disappointed with the Cube that I wouldn't buy the Wii... yet I did anyway. I also haven't played with my portable much recently. I used to have a job that took me on the road nearly every other week and they saw lotsof use then, but that's not the case now. My wife though plays her DS daily. She loves all the portable puzzle games (Sudoku, Picross, etc...). She also loves the XBLA and really has very little interest in playing any games on her laptop. So overall the 360, PS3 and PC see the bulk of the gaming time. With the PC also doing other PC-ly things and the PS3 doubling our DVD/Blu-Ray player.

i know the feeling .. i have THIRTEEN - mostly "A" and "AA" titles - brand new PC games [no older than '06] sitting in a row ... waiting to be played [and i am playing the FEAR expansions in between GW, NightFall .. and i am setting up my PC in preparation for more benchmarking ..

with some great new games coming out ... i am about 6-10 months "behind"

can you imagine if i had as many platforms as you do ... it would like be like having 3 or 4 nice cars ... you can only drive one at a time ... and i would always be driving my 'favorite'

 

[StrangerGuy]

Summary: "My game sucked due to a multitude of valid reasons and didn't sold as well as I hoped due to wishful thinking, so I blame those pirates had existed since the beginning of time. Yeah, pirates. Fvck them all."

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: apoppin
PC game sales are taking off ... despite piracy .. all the publishers are showing a good increase in sales.

The PC HW is continually getting much more powerful - and CHEAP! .. Console gamers pay on average at least TEN dollars MORE for EACH game compared to teh *same* PC game. Over 5 years, i play 100 PC games ... that same 5 years a consoler will pay $1000 more for the SAME new games .. and my PC games drop to "bargain bin" usually in a few months - $19.95 or less .. you have to wait years for an equivalent drop for console games.

And over those same years, PC gamers will have to have spent about $1000 in upgrading, and god knows how many man hours of manually updating, working around bugs, finding the right settings to run smooth etc. And you are pretty out of the loop as far as console game prices go - they drop like rocks months after release just like PC titles do. I picked up Oblivion for 360 for $12, Forza 2 for $10 etc

i also write off my PC on taxes .. they won't let me do that with a console .. and a console is useless for anything but "media"

I'm certainly not going to argue that a PC doesnt have other uses, but nowadays there is a very huge gap between what is necessary for gaming and what is necessary for everything else. As I've slowly drifted away from PC gaming I use my $1500 Core 2 desktop less and less, and my $300 Celeron laptop more and more, and I can't say I've ever felt the laptop was too slow.

What was that again about issues? ALL my games run well .. i only had TWO bad ones in the last 2 years [NWN2/Gothic3] .. and they were fixed in a few months. You have to have newer HW or you will have problems with new game compatibility .. that $1,000 i save over gaming on a console goes a LONG way to upgrading my HW.

Various bugs I've experienced over the past few months - Battlefield 2142 continually crashes for no reason whatsoever. Couldnt play COD4 multiplayer without a mic plugged in. Supreme commander ran at 10fps on lowest settings. etc, etc. You're delusional if you dont think there are more issues with PC games than console games, but me and you both know how to deal with them. Other people? Forget about it, theyre lost.

And DX10 looks AWESOME over DX9 ... you can fool yourself if you want .. and in 2 years your console GFX will look like crap compared to PC and your game will barely run to keep up with the ever increasing strain of newer console games as it struggles to keep up with the PC .. then the new $750 PS4 console comes out and you drop the old one in the trash or give it to your little brother.

What advantages does a console have over PC?

And so the cycle goes - there will always be faster PC hardware, and newer consoles. My issue isnt ANY of that - I'm not a console fanboy, I dearly love my gaming PC, but compared to the newer crop of consoles, that special PC gaming magic is really starting to lose it.

I've really, really, really got my fingers crossed that steam is going to be the glue that brings this all back together - its got all the elements of success. The other day, I told my friend whos new to PC gaming about the new TF2 patch. He had no idea it existed, and I was trying to help him find it - turns out that steam automatically updated it without him knowing it. Beautiful. I'm really hoping other devs forget about the GFW Live BS and work it out so they can integrate into steam as tightly as Valve games do.

 

[apoppin]

so .. we are really not disagreeing...

... after all

 

[kinoku]

Poor buggers. It wasn't a bad game. Mind you it wasn't 9/10 but it was a pretty decent romp for anyone who's interested in a bit of old fashioned hack and slash.

Mind you he had a point with the nonsense that hardware vendors pull especially with the numbering schemes for video cards. Read something about that here:

See Through The Specs

---

Good bye, and thanks for all the spam.

Harvey
Senior AnandTech Moderator

 

[AMDZen]

Perhaps it was spam but that website he was spamming is sure cool

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: apoppin
so .. we are really not disagreeing...

... after all

If we're not disagreeing, then what are we agreeing on? DX10 has the potential for better graphics when games take advantage of it in the coming year, but other than that, PC gaming hasnt kept up with the consoles in pretty much every other area, and is becoming more and more of a joke with each passing day. Its such a sad state of affairs after a decade of pushing great new ideas.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: apoppin
so .. we are really not disagreeing...

... after all

If we're not disagreeing, then what are we agreeing on? DX10 has the potential for better graphics when games take advantage of it in the coming year, but other than that, PC gaming hasnt kept up with the consoles in pretty much every other area, and is becoming more and more of a joke with each passing day. Its such a sad state of affairs after a decade of pushing great new ideas.

you are slipping back into sillyness
-the consoles - except for the Wii are losing money; Sony has a bleeder in the Ps3 .. people are buying *only* it for BluRay - not their boring mostly non-exclusive game line-up. After 8 years - and losing BILLIONs of dollars, MS is FINALLY going to [maybe] see a profit, this year

PC gaming has always been profitable and PC games sales are WAY up! They are in a 3 year upward trend.

Why is Vista finally becoming popular ? .. it sure isn't popular for business ... yet about 17% of PC gamers now can experience DX10 for themselves ... DX10 is making very good progress ... MOST "AA' titles are DX10 ...

http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html

Consoles are is a sad state ... and you can expect xbox720 to be announced pretty soon .. you know they are working on it for DX10 because it is gonna look SAD next year next to that PC.

 

[Genx87]

This guy pretty much nailed it out of the park with the issues surrounding development on a PC platform.

We are our own worst enemies.

One thing about application conflicts and driver issues. There may be a fix in the future through application virtualization. I think MS should really start pushing this and put it in the next OS, or possibly include it within a service pack for Vista. Letting a game run within a virtual envrionment with a known set of hardware would make these guys life much easier in that regard.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: apoppin
so .. we are really not disagreeing...

... after all

If we're not disagreeing, then what are we agreeing on? DX10 has the potential for better graphics when games take advantage of it in the coming year, but other than that, PC gaming hasnt kept up with the consoles in pretty much every other area, and is becoming more and more of a joke with each passing day. Its such a sad state of affairs after a decade of pushing great new ideas.

you are slipping back into sillyness
-the consoles - except for the Wii are losing money; Sony has a bleeder in the Ps3 .. people are buying *only* it for BluRay - not their boring mostly non-exclusive game line-up. After 8 years - and losing BILLIONs of dollars, MS is FINALLY going to [maybe] see a profit, this year

Thats part of the reason why consoles are such a bargain compared to gaming PCs right now - the price of all that hardware is highly subsidized.

PC gaming has always been profitable and PC games sales are WAY up! They are in a 3 year upward trend.

Why is Vista finally becoming popular ? .. it sure isn't popular for business ... yet about 17% of PC gamers now can experience DX10 for themselves ... DX10 is making very good progress ... MOST "AA' titles are DX10 ...

http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html

Consoles are is a sad state ... and you can expect xbox720 to be announced pretty soon .. you know they are working on it for DX10 because it is gonna look SAD next year next to that PC.

And next year, there will still be the same issues with bugs, hardware etc etc. Theres no point going around in circles here. Obviously you have the magic touch with your gaming PC and never run into any aggravating bugs, and you've got plenty of money to spare to keep upgrading, and all you could ever ask for is better graphics. PC gaming is definitely for you.

I personally could care less about DX10, and I don't care who or what is profitable. I just want it all to work, I'd like to see a more pervasive online experience, and I want my gfx card to last more than a year between upgrades. Is that really so much to ask?

 

[apoppin]

for you , it probably IS

i DO care about DX10, i want to have more than a TRASH can for an upgrade path; i want a platform that sees all the cool games instead of competing "exclusives"; i don't want to be part of *wasteful* planned obsolescence nor do i want to give MS or Sony an *extra $10* for EACH game for the dubious "privilege" of playing on their system.

Everything DOES work for me ... maybe not "instantly" .. i may have to wait a few days for a patch - but at least there ARE patches .. and free mods ... there is actually a creative and very much alive modding community in PC gaming unlike the sterile "canned" atmosphere that you apparently thrive in.

My Graphics cards DO last AT LEAST a year .. often TWO ... i did this LAST one in 2 parts. Back in May i spent $330 for my 2900xt with Orange Box and again - a month ago - with an *additional* $150 for a 2900Pro that when O/C'd in Crossfire gives me approximately 8800GTX 'Ultra" performance .. for $480 - minus the $130 i got for my LAST 1950p/512M - or for $350[net] i get to enjoy the latest *everything* for well OVER a year .. and when i sell these 2 cards, i should still get about $300 to put toward my next $500 video card

And everything "works" - beautifully - and there is LAN .. and MMORPG and RTS ... and soon the PC 'live' guys will be kicking your asses with KB+mouse

what did you like about console again?
---over PC?

are you really confidient .. or technically a bit AFRAID of your PC?
-then a console IS for you

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i DO care about DX10, i want to have more than a TRASH can for an upgrade path; i want a platform that sees all the cool games instead of competing "exclusives"; i don't want to be part of *wasteful* planned obsolescence nor do i want to give MS or Sony an *extra $10* for EACH game for the dubious "privilege" of playing on their system.

OK... we've been through some of this before. Your point about the upgrade being the trash can is pretty much pointless. You do have to upgrade parts in PCs. Whether those old parts go in the trash can or not doesn't really matter. Technology gets old and is replaced. That is no different in either situation. And, again, your point about game prices is only true for new release and only if you don't rent. Consoles have a very large rental and used game market, more so than PCs in both cases. You can freely choose to take avantage of either if the $10 price difference is really too much.

And I'm not sure what your point is about exclusives. There are plenty of exclusives for each platform and even if you prefer PCs games overall, they don't have a monopoly on good games. Shocking, I know. I'll take a game like Ratchet & Clank (a genre PCs sorely lack in) or God of War over many PCs games. Just depends on what type of games you are looking for.

Everything DOES work for me ... maybe not "instantly" .. i may have to wait a few days for a patch - but at least there ARE patches .. and free mods ... there is actually a creative and very much alive modding community in PC gaming unlike the sterile "canned" atmosphere that you apparently thrive in.

Hey, that's great. But there's a lot of people out there that don't want to put up with that shit. You know I've got a decent PC, but I went through hell putting it together. First off, my video card was basically DOA. I could only get a video signal with the VGA adapter attached. I had to RMA it. Then about a week after I built my PC the motherboard died completely. No POST at all. Resetting the CMOS and attempting to use the back-up BIOS did nothing. So I had to disassemble my PC and RMA it. Oh yeah, did I also mention I had the lovely experience of having to lap my Ultra 120 Xtreme CPU cooler?

Anyway, after getting my PC together I noticed that I often heard a squealing noise in the audio... and it got worse during games. I tried the latest audio drivers but nothing helped. I was hoping to save a few $$ by going with the onboard audio, but that idea was quickly squashed. So I bought a sound card and installed it. As soon as I did UT3, STALKER (overrated POS game, BTW), and BioShock would all no longer start up. I tried posting a thread here to see if anyone could help (Link)... after all, you're all so technically proficient, right? Especially compared to us poor inept console gamers. Well, while I'm thankful for the few people that did try to help, no one could solve the problem. I did eventually find the solution through some search on the official UT3 forums.

During all that I was quickly reminded why I appreciate the simplicity of consoles. Sure, I was willing to go through all of that, but I also enjoy the more relaxed and trouble free gaming on consoles. And I perfectly understand why some people don't care to go through stupid shit like that. BTW, there ARE patches on consoles too these days. But they are automatic and basically trouble free.

You do make a good point about mods. That is definitely a bonus with PCs... as long as they don't break the game all to hell and make you have to reinstall said game. I tried a few mods for STALKER in the hopes that the game could be made entertaining at all, but sadly one of them broke the game completely. I could get the game to load to the menu, but I couldn't actually load any games. So I uninstalled STALKER and currently have no plans to reinstall. It's a half assed FPS crossed with a half-assed RPG. But, yeah, I do like mods when they work. I'm hoping that some of the ambitious conversions being worked on for Crysis turn out well.

My Graphics cards DO last AT LEAST a year .. often TWO ... i did this LAST one in 2 parts. Back in May i spent $330 for my 2900xt with Orange Box and again - a month ago - with an *additional* $150 for a 2900Pro that when O/C'd in Crossfire gives me approximately 8800GTX 'Ultra" performance .. for $480 - minus the $130 i got for my LAST 1950p/512M - or for $350[net] i get to enjoy the latest *everything* for well OVER a year .. and when i sell these 2 cards, i should still get about $300 to put toward my next $500 video card

You can sell consoles too you know. You act like they become completely wortheless and must be thrown away. There are a lot of people that will buy older consoles.

And everything "works" - beautifully - and there is LAN .. and MMORPG and RTS ... and soon the PC 'live' guys will be kicking your asses with KB+mouse

Depends on whether or not consoles begin to allow KB/M use for games. The PS3 version of UT3 already allows mods and KB/M use.

 

[apoppin]

Never ... i always upgrade when my old PC parts still have good value - 70%; when consolers upgrade, they mostly do it all at once and the TRASH is the "upgrade" for most of them [after spending a few years unused in a closet]

God of War? make me laugh .. if you really think that is a great game, you have not played *any* good PC games ... it's a crap shooter in comparison ... but i know, it's awesome "for a console" shooter
... and if you want to play the "exclusives" you have to buy the competing platforms and all the overpriced peripherals.

AND i just can't help it if i am expert with a PC ... And i offer free tech support right here as do dozens of us. Do not blame YOUR problems on the PC as a gaming platform.
:roll:

You can also sell your console to Mexico or Brazil for a couple of bucks.
-i am talking when they have value ... by the time a NEW ONE is out, everyone buys it mostly at once ... and there is a GLUT of used ones ... with PC HW there is constant trading and superb VALUES to be found ... i paid $480 for BOTH of my brand-new Crossfired GPUs - even got Orange Box included !! It plays anything in DX10

Consoles are just wannabee PC ripoffs
[i'd also like to remind you that this is "PC gaming" forum last i looked; i don't head over to the kiddies gaming forum and rattle their cages with a stick]
:laugh:

as to KB+Mouse ... i want to "hack" a console now?
- to play a game worse than it's PC cousin?
not me

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: apoppin
no ... i always upgrade when my old PC parts still have good value - 70% .. when consolers upgrade, they mostly do all at once ,,, and the TRASH is the "upgrade"

None of that is based in any fact. Plenty of PC gamers do "all at once" upgrades. My new build was a 100% replacement... case and all. And, yes, many of the old parts will indeed wind up in the trash due to being of so little value. You need look no further than the hardware forums to see people every day asking for help with 100% new builds. And I can't think of the last time I threw away a console. I generally sell the old ones.

God of War? make me laugh .. if you really think that is a great game, you have not played *any* good PC games ... a crap shooter ... but i know, awesome for a console

What the hell are you even talking about? God of War isn't a shooter. I think you are thinking of Gears of War. But I will say that I did enjoy the campaign in Gears of War, especially the co-op. I'll take it any day over overrated trash like STALKER and FEAR that many around here praise. But whatever, different strokes and all that.

i can't help it if i am expert with a PC? And i offer free tech support right here as do dozens of us. Do not blame YOUR problems on the PC
:roll:

Yeah, I tried to get tech support here.. I even provided the link to the original thread as proof. Magically I didn't see you step up to the plate there. And no, none of the issues I listed had anything to do with me. I'm as competent as most around here with PCs.

-i am talking when they have value ... by the time a NEW ONE is out, everyone buys it mostly at once ... and there is a GLUT of used ones ... with PC HW there is constant trading and superb VALUES to be found ... i paid $480 for BOTH my crossfired GPUs - got Orange Box included !! It plays anything in DX10

Hey, great. It all depends on when you decide to upgrade your PC. Some people ride the hardware just as long as people use consoles, and some upgrade more often. That still doesn't change the fact that you can sell old consoles just as easily as PC hardware. And none of this really matters to most people anyway. I don't think most consoles gamers care if you can sell a PC video card after a year or two... upgrading is exactly what many, if not most, are wanting to get away from or avoid. It's the source of the bulk of the technical issues involved with PC gaming.

as to KB+Mouse ... i want to "hack" a console now?
- to play a game worse than it's PC cousin?
not me

What does that even mean? Hack? The current consoles all support KB/M natively. It just depends on whether the platform owners and or game devs choose to implement support for them in games.

 

[apoppin]

Yeah, I tried to get tech support here.. I even provided the link to the original thread as proof. Magically I didn't see you step up to the plate there. And no, none of the issues I listed had anything to do with me. I'm as competent as most around here with PCs.

well i am not a 'bot ... i don't read every thread .. my friends PM me for help
... you can also

i used to be a consoler .. nothing has changed, imo ... and very few Devs support KB+Mouse for console

... yeah Gears ...

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: apoppin
well i am not a 'bot ... i don't read every thread .. my friends PM me for help
... you can also

Ah well... I got it solved anyway. Frustrating as hell though. All my games are currently working right now.

In all seriousness... since, believe it or not, I really am a PC gamer... what upcoming PC games would you recommend? Anything in the next 2-3 months I should be looking to buy? I had stepped back from PC gaming for a couple of years since I had allowed my PC to get too outdated and there was nothing out there that really grabbed my attention enough to make me want to upgrade. But my PC eventually got to the point where I needed to upgrade for other reasons beyond gaming. So now I have a new PC and am back into PC gaming (along w/ my consoles ). I'm just not as up-to-date with upcoming PC exclusives as I would like to be.

I, of course, had to check out Crysis. One to put my new hardware through a workout and, two, because I had heard good things about the game itself (minus some complaints about the last 1/3 of the game). Anyway, I loved the game overall.... but I've already finished it and need something else. The only other PC game I'm really putting any time into right now is the Mythos beta. Fun Diablo II clone, but I've started to get bored with it since there's only two main areas right now.

What type of games do you like anyway? We may not even play the same types. I primarily play FPS, platform, adventure, and maybe some RPGs or hack-n-slash... though I tend to be picky about those last two. Even though the PC has a lot of good looking RTS/4X types games, I've never really been able to get into those.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: apoppin
well i am not a 'bot ... i don't read every thread .. my friends PM me for help
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Ah well... I got it solved anyway. Frustrating as hell though. All my games are currently working right now.

In all seriousness... since, believe it or not, I really am a PC gamer... what upcoming PC games would you recommend? Anything in the next 2-3 months I should be looking to buy? I had stepped back from PC gaming for a couple of years since I had allowed my PC to get too outdated and there was nothing out there that really grabbed my attention enough to make me want to upgrade. But my PC eventually got to the point where I needed to upgrade for other reasons beyond gaming. So now I have a new PC and am back into PC gaming (along w/ my consoles ). I'm just not as up-to-date with upcoming PC exclusives as I would like to be.

I, of course, had to check out Crysis. One to put my new hardware through a workout and, two, because I had heard good things about the game itself (minus some complaints about the last 1/3 of the game). Anyway, I loved the game overall.... but I've already finished it and need something else. The only other PC game I'm really putting any time into right now is the Mythos beta. Fun Diablo II clone, but I've started to get bored with it since there's only two main areas right now.

What type of games do you like anyway? We may not even play the same types. I primarily play FPS, platform, adventure, and maybe some RPGs or hack-n-slash... though I tend to be picky about those last two. Even though the PC has a lot of good looking RTS/4X types games, I've never really been able to get into those.

that is an awful question to ask me ... it is going to depend on tastes ... i am setting playing Crysis aside till they fully optimize it - i haven't bought it yet, but i will to benchmark; i have 13 brand-new games that i have lined up to play right now [all for $10 or less from '06-'07] .. from FEAR's Perseus Rising through NWN2's Mask of the Betrayer and Jade Empire.

what do you like? Shooters, FPS or TPS ... personally i love the Hybrids from like Deus Ex and Vampire, Bloodlines: The Masquerade all the way to Stalker. i didn't like BioShock as i felt it was inferior and cheesy retread of SystemShock2. i DID like Hellgate: London's [SP] diablo-shooting style and put a couple of hundred hours into several characters since it was beta ... all the way through it nearly twice with the same Character [the 2nd time on Nightmare] .. and it is awesome in DX10 and plays Great at 16x10 with everything fully maxed on my rig!

i am not so much into RTS, but i really like B&W2 which is a god-game with a creature/RTS hybrid and i just got Universe at War .. no idea as it is middle of my pile. D&D type RPGs are OK and can be spectacular like KotOR with a great Story better than any of Lucas' movies since the original 3. Ad i like open-ended games like Oblivion [i was first on the planet to report 1,000 hours on the official TeS forums] and Gothic3 - now that it is community patched.

So many people HATED Stalker because they did not realize it is a RPG .. far more RPG than FPS. It has all the elements of RPG but they were were completely hidden - you got skills and 'points' but they were allocated behind the scenes. Hits and misses appear to be decided by the DnD 10-sided dice ... but it is completely hidden. i like games that challenge me but hate "puzzles" .. and prefer to have more than a 'twitch shooter' although i have also loved them in the Serious Sam and Quake Style.

Of the upcoming games, Spore looks interesting ... something really different. Alan Wake [from Remedy creator of Max Payne series] is a 'not to be missed' game, evidently also. SC2, new WarHammer 40k... Dragon Age ... STALKER: Clear Sky ... FarCry 2 ... i can look for more



anyway, enough about me ... What Kind of game do you like best? if it's hack and slash but with RPG elements [like Diablo] Hellgate SP- not MP - is good [and cheap now] ... you will eventually tire of it as there is just not enough variety ... but if you like to shoot - demons - it's a good game!
[7/10 ... with redeeming features]