Iraq's U.S.-Trained Police Are Accused of Being Collaborators and Spies

phillyTIM

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Iraq's Security Weakened by Fear

By Anthony Shadid
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, September 14, 2003; Page A01

KHALDIYA, Iraq, Sept. 13 -- The convoy of U.S. military engineers had just entered this rough-and-tumble town when disaster struck. They had a flat tire, stopping the convoy along a ribbon of desert asphalt some Iraqis have nicknamed "the highway of death."

Soon after, masked guerrillas fired two rocket-propelled grenades. Machine guns crackled across the late afternoon sky. When it ended an hour later, witnesses said, homes were gouged with large holes, two U.S. vehicles were burning, and the soldiers had beat a retreat.

On the sidelines throughout the clash Thursday were Khaldiya's police, who are supposed to be the allies of the U.S.-led occupation in restoring order to Iraq. Not only was it not their fight, several said this week, but the guerrillas fighting U.S. soldiers had their blessing.

From President Bush to U.S. soldiers in the field, the United States is putting a growing emphasis on transferring the purview of security and stability to tens of thousands of Iraqis now under arms. The bulk of them -- more than 30,000 -- are police. The restive town of Khaldiya offers a small but significant example of the challenges this policy faces in a country shaken by car bombings and rampant lawlessness and filled with anxiety about the future.
 

phillyTIM

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interesting...no comments on this?

honestly didn't we all know something like this was coming?
 

Crimson

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Just further reason why we should not trust the Iraqi's to govern themselves until we are damn sure they don't continue to pull crap like this.

I'm growing real tired of Iraq and the middle-east in general.. Can they not stop killing eachother and us? Their society is barbaric.. I'm getting to the point where I honestly would not care if someone just leveled the entire middle east.. its getting old.. these people just can't behave in a civil society.. and they never take blame for their own actions.. its always someone else's fault.. well, its amazing how for the past 2000 years its always someone elses fault..
 

Tab

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I'm growing real tired of Iraq and the middle-east in general.. Can they not stop killing eachother and us? Their society is barbaric.. I'm getting to the point where I honestly would not care if someone just leveled the entire middle east.. its getting old.. these people just can't behave in a civil society.. and they never take blame for their own actions.. its always someone else's fault.. well, its amazing how for the past 2000 years its always someone elses fault..

Yea, unforutentaly they dont give give a crap about life. Look at the suicide bombers.
 

SuperTool

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I think it's good that they are seen as collaborators and spies. That gives them an incentive to make sure the US succeeds, otherwise they will be hanging from palm trees.
Think of it as stock options. :)
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Just further reason why we should not trust the Iraqi's to govern themselves until we are damn sure they don't continue to pull crap like this.

I'm growing real tired of Iraq and the middle-east in general.. Can they not stop killing eachother and us? Their society is barbaric.. I'm getting to the point where I honestly would not care if someone just leveled the entire middle east.. its getting old.. these people just can't behave in a civil society.. and they never take blame for their own actions.. its always someone else's fault.. well, its amazing how for the past 2000 years its always someone elses fault..

What an 'enlightened' attitude you have. That statement combined with your sig pretty much sums up your world-view: got a problem with someone? Put a bullet in their head, take their land and build a freakin' Wal-Mart. God bless America (again).

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Aharami

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Just further reason why we should not trust the Iraqi's to govern themselves until we are damn sure they don't continue to pull crap like this.

I'm growing real tired of Iraq and the middle-east in general.. Can they not stop killing eachother and us? Their society is barbaric.. I'm getting to the point where I honestly would not care if someone just leveled the entire middle east.. its getting old.. these people just can't behave in a civil society.. and they never take blame for their own actions.. its always someone else's fault.. well, its amazing how for the past 2000 years its always someone elses fault..

as crude and as horrible as this sounds....i too am getting fed up of paying for restoring their problem, which, who knows for how long will stay "restored"
 

phillyTIM

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Once the US gets hands-off, I just have a feeling an uprising would happen and a new "dictator" or someone would take over.

There's a reason why we left those middle easterners alone, and glad they were on the other side of the world.

With this invasion, I fear we've let the genie out of the bottle, for good. And the thing Bush's Regime tried to contain, will REALLY come back to bite us in the #ss...harder than we really could ever have imagined.
 

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Once the US gets hands-off, I just have a feeling an uprising would happen and a new "dictator" or someone would take over.

There's a reason why we left those middle easterners alone, and glad they were on the other side of the world.

With this invasion, I fear we've let the genie out of the bottle, for good. And the thing Bush's Regime tried to contain, will REALLY come back to bite us in the #ss...harder than we really could ever have imagined.

Most likely not a dictator, but I certainly wouldn't rule out a theocracy rising to power. Just look to the example of Algeria and you'll soon realize that no matter how good the intentions are, when you give a barbaric people a choice at freedom or to be dominated, they choose to be dominated and thrown into chaos.

It was silly of me to believe that the "educated" people of Iraq wanted to be free and carve out a better life for themselves, as events are clearly showing otherwise. Time to give the people of Iraq an ultimatum, help us or we get the fsck out.
 

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Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Once the US gets hands-off, I just have a feeling an uprising would happen and a new "dictator" or someone would take over.

There's a reason why we left those middle easterners alone, and glad they were on the other side of the world.

With this invasion, I fear we've let the genie out of the bottle, for good. And the thing Bush's Regime tried to contain, will REALLY come back to bite us in the #ss...harder than we really could ever have imagined.

I think we got bit in the #ss on sept 11th 2001. That genie got let out of the bottle long ago and it wasn't us that did it but i am pretty damn sure we will eventually be the ones to stuff it's #ss back in.