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Iraq's insurgents ?seek exit strategy'

CADsortaGUY

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Ready to give up?
Many of Iraq's predominantly Sunni Arab insurgents would lay down their arms and join the political process in exchange for guarantees of their safety and that of their co-religionists, according to a prominent Sunni politician.


Sharif Ali Bin al-Hussein, who heads Iraq's main monarchist movement and is in contact with guerrilla leaders, said many insurgents including former officials of the ruling Ba'ath party, army officers, and Islamists have been searching for a way to end their campaign against US troops and Iraqi government forces since the January 30 election.

?Firstly, they want to ensure their own security,? says Sharif Ali, who last week hosted a pan-Sunni conference attended by tribal sheikhs and other local leaders speaking on behalf of the insurgents.

Insurgent leaders fear coming out into the open to talk for fear of being targeted by US military or Iraqi security forces' raids, he said.

Sharif Ali distinguishes many Sunni insurgents, whom he says took up arms in reaction to the invasive raids in search of Ba'athist leaders and other ?humiliations? soon after the 2003 war, from the radical jihadist branch associated with Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Unlike Mr Zarqawi's followers, who are thought to be responsible for the big suicide bomb attacks on Iraqi civilian targets, the other Sunni insurgents are more likely to plant bombs and carry out ambushes against security forces and US troops active near their homes.

Sharif Ali said the success of Iraq's elections dealt the insurgents a demoralising blow, prompting them to consider the need to enter the political process.
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I think the last sentence pretty much says it all. The Iraqi elections were a success despite the naysayers. I think their will to fight has been severly damaged and hopefully will find a way to peacefully adapt back into everyday life. They have to know they can't win - I just hope outside influence(anti-Bush/war) doesn't give them support(or anything they'll see as support) to continue with their destruction of their own country.

CsG
 
One can only hope that these groups see the value in engaging the political process rather then endangering the lives of or killing their own people...there are already reports filtering through of the Iraqi people turning on or against the insurgents.

It doesn't surprise me that the insurgents would seek to come to the table given the success of the elections...it certainly wasn't a perfect election, yet it was a blow to the insurgents that they were unable to disrupt the process...many Sunnis are turning their anger against their own leaders and the insurgents for convincing or otherwise intimidating them out of participating in the election.
 
Well nothing much we can do but hope.

But I'm not sure about the guarantee their safety. I've read somewhere that Shiites are actively trying to hunt them down in revenge for Saddam-era abuses or for bomb attacks.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Condor
Line'em up and shoot them beside a burial trench!
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You sound like a fascist... oh wait. 😉
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They are killers. They admit to making bombs that killed their own people. So you want to give murderers what? A palace to live in while they plot to overthrow the current government? Libs!

 
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: fluxquantum
Assassination, Attacks Overshadow Iraq Political Talks
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GRR! THATS NOT ON TOPIC IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IRAQ OR INSURGENTS! ARG ARG ARG

/end's Cad's typical knee-jerk republican reponse.
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:roll: Nice try but you again have missed the board...

It's interesting to see how people post in these sorts of threads. It's negative all the time. Don't some of you ever look or even hear the positives? Ofcourse there are going to be attacks and setbacks - some "insurgents" don't want to give up but as noted in the OP it looks like some are looking to stop. But I guess as long as some hold out hope that we will leave early(as demanded by the ignorant here and around the world) there will be "insurgents" who feed off that. As I said: "I just hope outside influence(anti-Bush/war) doesn't give them support(or anything they'll see as support) to continue with their destruction of their own country" Hmmm... I guess some of you can live with that...

CsG
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
It's interesting to see how people post in these sorts of threads. It's negative all the time. Don't some of you ever look or even hear the positives?
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It's like Liar Liar...

"I object your honor!"
"On what grounds?"
"It's devastating to my case!"
 
Anything positive out of Iraq is not considered news-worthy and is automatically labeled as false and GOP propaganda. While any sort of negative news, no matter how obsurd it is, is considered the absolute truth. I like how these people operate. Acknowledge only certain things that you agree with and those that further your cause, and completely dismiss any sort of opposing viewpoint as "propaganda".

Negative news sells. Wrecks attact people.

No wonder the media only focuses on negative news out of Iraq. Trust me, there MANY positive occurences in Iraq that we're not even aware of. I find it really amusing that cetain people here can only focus on bad things coming out of Iraq and any positive event is met by "You're a GOP sheep" etc etc. Many people who are not Republicans want Iraq to prosper and defeat these terrorists. No matter how much you hate Bush or Republicans, how can you possibly be against the development of Iraq and it's road to Democracy? Unless you're a brainwashed illiberal who can't see reality for what it is. Some people are so whacked out that they want Saddam to return to power. And they aren't Iraqi.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Anything positive out of Iraq is not considered news-worthy and is automatically labeled as false and GOP propaganda.
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I never said it was false, I was just saving Cad the keystrokes. 😉

It's obivously a worthy newspeice made by Steve Negus posted on financial times. :roll:

Originally posted by: raildogg
Negative news sells. Wrecks attact people.
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You might be a republican, but you still have a brain. 🙂

Originally posted by: raildogg
No wonder the media only focuses on negative news out of Iraq. Trust me, there MANY positive occurences in Iraq that we're not even aware of. I find it really amusing that cetain people here can only focus on bad things coming out of Iraq and any positive event is met by "You're a GOP sheep" etc etc. Many people who are not Republicans want Iraq to prosper and defeat these terrorists. No matter how much you hate Bush or Republicans, how can you possibly be against the development of Iraq and it's road to Democracy? Unless you're a brainwashed illiberal who can't see reality for what it is. Some people are so whacked out that they want Saddam to return to power. And they aren't Iraqi.
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I am sure there are many positive things happening in Iraq. There isn't really any reason we should be there, I myself know that these terrorists aren't helping. I don't think our administration is really doing the best job they can either. We should stay in Iraq and prove to the rest of the world that we can stay and fix our own mistakes. I don't want Saddam back in power and I don't want another vietnam or Iran.
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
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As I said: "I just hope outside influence(anti-Bush/war) doesn't give them support(or anything they'll see as support) to continue with their destruction of their own country"
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CsG
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I'm glad the insurgents are looking for a peaceful solution. The following has nothing to do with that, and I suggest those of you who can't tell need to get some freaking reading comprehension.

What I hate about some of you guys on the right (yes, you CAD, forever you) is that you really can't see the difference between being anti-Bush and being pro-insurgent. You really can't. I figured at first that it was some cheap tactic to make your arguments sound more effective (to idiots maybe, but whatever). But you really see being anti-Bush as being pro-insurgent. The funny part is that I think the insurgents realize that while many Americans dislike Bush and his strategy in Iraq, that won't help the insurgents one bit. At this point I don't think there is any shortage of people who still think Bush couldn't run a lemonade stand, but try finding people who think we should give up to the insurgents at this point. They might be a little harder to locate.

Like I said, I'll be very happy if we can deal with the insurgents without any more violence and let Iraq start healing. And you know what, I think we could all agree on that (and many other things) if people like you didn't insist on bringing extra helpings of stupid to any discussion like this.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
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As I said: "I just hope outside influence(anti-Bush/war) doesn't give them support(or anything they'll see as support) to continue with their destruction of their own country"
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CsG
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At this point I don't think there is any shortage of people who still think Bush couldn't run a lemonade stand
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Heh, I honestly don't think he could either...
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Ready to give up?
Many of Iraq's predominantly Sunni Arab insurgents would lay down their arms and join the political process in exchange for guarantees of their safety and that of their co-religionists, according to a prominent Sunni politician.


Sharif Ali Bin al-Hussein, who heads Iraq's main monarchist movement and is in contact with guerrilla leaders, said many insurgents including former officials of the ruling Ba'ath party, army officers, and Islamists have been searching for a way to end their campaign against US troops and Iraqi government forces since the January 30 election.

?Firstly, they want to ensure their own security,? says Sharif Ali, who last week hosted a pan-Sunni conference attended by tribal sheikhs and other local leaders speaking on behalf of the insurgents.

Insurgent leaders fear coming out into the open to talk for fear of being targeted by US military or Iraqi security forces' raids, he said.

Sharif Ali distinguishes many Sunni insurgents, whom he says took up arms in reaction to the invasive raids in search of Ba'athist leaders and other ?humiliations? soon after the 2003 war, from the radical jihadist branch associated with Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Unlike Mr Zarqawi's followers, who are thought to be responsible for the big suicide bomb attacks on Iraqi civilian targets, the other Sunni insurgents are more likely to plant bombs and carry out ambushes against security forces and US troops active near their homes.

Sharif Ali said the success of Iraq's elections dealt the insurgents a demoralising blow, prompting them to consider the need to enter the political process.
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I think the last sentence pretty much says it all. The Iraqi elections were a success despite the naysayers. I think their will to fight has been severly damaged and hopefully will find a way to peacefully adapt back into everyday life. They have to know they can't win - I just hope outside influence(anti-Bush/war) doesn't give them support(or anything they'll see as support) to continue with their destruction of their own country.

CsG
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Being opposed to Cheney's war is not being anti-American. One can disagree with the policies of a bad government still in this country. Last I checked anyway. Of course we will have people such as yourself, Jingoists, trying to beat us down for it, but so far the right is still there.
The only thing I will consider good news is when our people are all back and Bush is out of office. You can continue looking at the World through rose-colored glasses if you wish. I would bet though, in your heart of hearts, you don't think slaughtering thousands of Iraqis and gettings thousands of our own people maimed and killed over there is a good thing, a positive thing, something to celebrate. btw, where are the WMD?
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Acknowledge only certain things that you agree with
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I believe this is the first time I agree with you. Unfortunately, you seem to not be able to comprehend that their are an equal amount of right members who are guilty of this as there are left members.

Or maybe they just 'don't know enough' about any situation that they don't like.

 
Originally posted by: Rainsford

What I hate about some of you guys on the right (yes, you CAD, forever you) is that you really can't see the difference between being anti-Bush and being pro-insurgent.
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This take on their thinking has been discussed on these boards since the war started. It used to be anything anti-war = pro-Saddam. Even though the flaw has been pointed out to them, I don't think it has opened any of their eyes.

 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
What I hate about some of you guys on the right (yes, you CAD, forever you) is that you really can't see the difference between being anti-Bush and being pro-insurgent.
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This is done exhaustively on both sides. See: this and this thread for examples from the opposite side.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
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As I said: "I just hope outside influence(anti-Bush/war) doesn't give them support(or anything they'll see as support) to continue with their destruction of their own country"
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CsG
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What I hate about some of you guys on the right (yes, you CAD, forever you) is that you really can't see the difference between being anti-Bush and being pro-insurgent.
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[interups Rainsfords circle jerk]

I am truly sad 🙁 that you and others in this thread, lack the mental capacity to understand the mechanics of the competitive nature of our political process and the attempt of the insurgency in Iraq to exploit it. "you guys on the left":roll:. I will say that some day, I hope some of you will grow up and gain some life experiences that will allow you to get a fvcking clue, which in turn would allow you to post about things you understand.

[/interups Rainsfords circle jerk]






 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
When are we going to start thinking of an exit strategy?
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when we feel that the Iraqi government can stabilize the country and other foriegn influences can not destroy what the local population are trying to build.


 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
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What I hate about some of you guys on the right (yes, you CAD, forever you) is that you really can't see the difference between being anti-Bush and being pro-insurgent. ...
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"You're either with us or you support the terrorists." was a stupid, simple-minded, divisive, and dishonest mantra when Bush first uttered it; it remains so no matter how many times his faithful parrot it. It is a manipulative tactic for suppressing all dissent, employed in various forms by fascists throughout history.
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I think the last sentence pretty much says it all. The Iraqi elections were a success despite the naysayers. I think their will to fight has been severly damaged and hopefully will find a way to peacefully adapt back into everyday life. They have to know they can't win - I just hope outside influence(anti-Bush/war) doesn't give them support(or anything they'll see as support) to continue with their destruction of their own country.

CsG
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There you go again. Insinuating that being anti-Bush or anti-War is somehow supporting the terrorists. God, when will the stupidity ever end, Cad? I mean, do you really expect to have a reasonable discussion with inflammatory BS like this?

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I think the last sentence pretty much says it all. The Iraqi elections were a success despite the naysayers. I think their will to fight has been severly damaged and hopefully will find a way to peacefully adapt back into everyday life. They have to know they can't win - I just hope outside influence(anti-Bush/war) doesn't give them support(or anything they'll see as support) to continue with their destruction of their own country.

CsG
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There you go again. Insinuating that being anti-Bush or anti-War is somehow supporting the terrorists. God, when will the stupidity ever end, Cad? I mean, do you really expect to have a reasonable discussion with inflammatory BS like this?

:roll:
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Because of his inflammatory BS, Cad bought Rush Limbaugh's extra-wide toilet.
 
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