Iraqis Celebrate as Marines Withdraw from Fallujah

[tnitsuj]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/24/iraq/main541815.shtml

V for victory eh?

 

[syzygy]

pyrrhic victory, yes. those idiot militiamen are living on borrowed time. the americans were there
only friend in the area. now the mahdi yokels will have to contend with the reality of their poor
numbers, competing forces larger than theirs, and an iraqi baathist general who is not above
turning the other cheeck to a pack of savages.

 

[adlep]

Originally posted by: syzygy
pyrrhic victory, yes. those idiot militiamen are living on borrowed time. the americans were there
only friend in the area. now the mahdi yokels will have to contend with the reality of their poor
numbers, competing forces larger than theirs, and an iraqi baathist general who is not above
turning the other cheeck to a pack of savages.

You are an ignorant...
Mahdi's Army is on the South, not in Fallujah...
We have no clue about whats going on, aren't we?
:|

 

[Bulk Beef]

I think the concept of a pyrrhic victory is completely alien to these guys.

 

[Steeplerot]

They defended their home from very technologicly advanced and strong foreign invaders.Kinda like david and goliath.
They have earned their freedom,
Time for us to come home the troops have done their job -no wmd saddam is gone
or
... they can die some more as invaders. They will be never anything more then a hostile invader to Iraqis at this point we have screwed the pooch in the iraqis eyes and the world and now we will take our medicine.
But then I have always rooted for the underdog.
These guys have been in Iraq long enough pull them out or do something useful with them like march em over to Israel for some real regime change.
Watch when israel dissapear the muslims chill and the terrorism too.
Or we can just keep dying along with the innocents we are responsible for killing. (and now torturing wheee fun fun in good ol Baghdad tonight once it gets out into the streets how those guys were treated)

 

[Steeplerot]

Iraqis will now say "rember Fallujah" like the alamo. Good job bush damn can't we just pump all the oil out real quick and cut?

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: syzygy
pyrrhic victory, yes. those idiot militiamen are living on borrowed time. the americans were there
only friend in the area. now the mahdi yokels will have to contend with the reality of their poor
numbers, competing forces larger than theirs, and an iraqi baathist general who is not above
turning the other cheeck to a pack of savages.

Wait, I thought we went in there to put an end to Saddam's tyranny and the brutal methods his army used against Iraqi people?

 

[smashp]

Fallujah is a quagmire.

The Marines Could definately Take the city, but Not without Full force and their would Be alot of Civilian Deaths.

Outcome = The insurgents Succeed Becomming Martyrs and patriots, leading more to their Beliefs and cause and America becomes the "Evil'


The Marines withdraw.

Outcome = The insurgents Succeed by showing how dedicated they Are by standing up to the americans leading more to their Beliefs and cause

 

[Passions]

Shameful day. Whoever brokered this deal should commit seppuku for dishonor. Fallujians won this battle.

 

[Moonbeam]

Thank goodness we still have Saddam Hussein. We can put him back in charge of the generals. He will know how to handle Fallujah.

 

[Steeplerot]

Nah Moonbeam no need for Saddam -He is old news didn't you see so on TV? were great at killing off unruly brownskins. Just like the ones we killed off when we occupied this continent

 

[leeboy]

Originally posted by: Passions
Shameful day. Whoever brokered this deal should commit seppuku for dishonor. Fallujians won this battle.

:roll:

 

[adlep]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Thank goodness we still have Saddam Hussein. We can put him back in charge of the generals. He will know how to handle Fallujah.

Why not?
He seems to be better prepared to stabilize Iraq than Bremmer...
And I can bet that the day after his release all of the "martyrs" from Fallujah and Najaf would just disappear...
It is not such a bad idea...
But we would have to supply him and his generals with US made weapons such us Stingers and SAWs

 

[onelove]

time for some re-baathification.

 

[onelove]

General Saleh, former Republican Guard General now in charge.

Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, a U.S. military spokesman claim the Marines have "screened the former general and had full confidence in him" but no details for the press. According to Seattle Times:

However, a former Iraqi general, Mohammed al-Askari, said Saleh served in Iraq's elite Republican Guards in the 1980s and later commanded the 38th Infantry Division of the Iraqi army.

He was then promoted to head all of the Iraqi army's infantry forces, al-Askari said. His last posting was as a division commander in the al-Quds (Jerusalem) army, which was initially founded to liberate Jerusalem but grew into a vast paramilitary force.

In that capacity, he spent the war last year assigned to a military base in Ramadi, just west of Fallujah, according to Haroun Mohammed, an Iraqi journalist based in London.

Saleh also has deep roots in Fallujah. Another London-based Iraqi journalist, Osama al-Fahaly, said Saleh is a Fallujah native and belongs to the Mohammadi tribe, the town's largest, and is a close relative of the tribe's leader. Fallujah natives reached in neighboring Jordan confirmed Saleh is a well-known figure in the clan.
***
The man said Saleh was a member of Saddam's Baath Party - as was every member of the Iraqi army - but was never seen as a political figure and never rose in the party ranks.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apmideast_story.asp?category=1107&slug=Iraq%20Saleh

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: syzygy
pyrrhic victory, yes. those idiot militiamen are living on borrowed time. the americans were there
only friend in the area. now the mahdi yokels will have to contend with the reality of their poor
numbers, competing forces larger than theirs, and an iraqi baathist general who is not above
turning the other cheeck to a pack of savages.

Wow, what a jumble of incorent soundbites.

1. The Fallujan insurgency has little to do with Al-Sadr's. And seeing as how the person in charge was a former general in the republican guard (not even the regular army!), you can expect that they'd get the same treatment as under Saddam.

2. Sadr's quite capable with the poor. Last year when the americans were busy being clueless, it was him that provided security and other services to Baghdad's poor. Its no coincidence that these people are his base of support. He is also making inroads into regular shias - I read recently how satisfied shia were on their latest holy pilgrimate, where no one died and which occured while Najaf was occpupied by the Al Mahdi militia. The one before that (where the americans provided security) ended with 150 dead. Coincidence? Maybe, but think the impression the thousands of pilgrims had.

 

[Drift3r]

I wonder how the Baathist patroling the streets will go over with the Shiites ( their victims in Sadam's regime ) if they do the same in Najaf ?

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak

Originally posted by: syzygy
pyrrhic victory, yes. those idiot militiamen are living on borrowed time. the americans were there
only friend in the area. now the mahdi yokels will have to contend with the reality of their poor
numbers, competing forces larger than theirs, and an iraqi baathist general who is not above
turning the other cheeck to a pack of savages.

Wow, what a jumble of incorent soundbites.

1. The Fallujan insurgency has little to do with Al-Sadr's. And seeing as how the person in charge was a former general in the republican guard (not even the regular army!), you can expect that they'd get the same treatment as under Saddam.

2. Sadr's quite capable with the poor. Last year when the americans were busy being clueless, it was him that provided security and other services to Baghdad's poor. Its no coincidence that these people are his base of support. He is also making inroads into regular shias - I read recently how satisfied shia were on their latest holy pilgrimate, where no one died and which occured while Najaf was occpupied by the Al Mahdi militia. The one before that (where the americans provided security) ended with 150 dead. Coincidence? Maybe, but think the impression the thousands of pilgrims had.

MartyTheManiak you have to remember that most people in this country can't even find Iraq on a map. Hell some people think that we have found WMD's and that Saddam's secular Iraq had links with Al Qaida.

 

[onelove]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
I wonder how the Baathist patroling the streets will go over with the Shiites ( their victims in Sadam's regime ) if they do the same in Najaf ?

woops, looks like Saleh was involved in crushing Iraqi opposition (and also claimed this weekend that there were no foreign fighters in Fallujah), so he's out. Now looking at another candidate army general who "may have opposed Saddam, at times."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4049368,00.html

 

[maddogchen]

man what a mess.

 

[Gaard]

Iraqis Celebrate as Marines Withdraw from Fallujah

Iraqis aren't the only ones.

Iraqi Resistance Report

Iraqi police at one location were surprised when they took over a position from retreating Americans to find one US Marine crying and shouting hysterically for joy at the opportunity to leave the defiant city of al-Fallujah. The incident provoked laughter and derision from the policemen, according to the correspondent of Mafkarat al-Islam.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: Gaard
Iraqis Celebrate as Marines Withdraw from Fallujah

Iraqis aren't the only ones.

Iraqi Resistance Report

Iraqi police at one location were surprised when they took over a position from retreating Americans to find one US Marine crying and shouting hysterically for joy at the opportunity to leave the defiant city of al-Fallujah. The incident provoked laughter and derision from the policemen, according to the correspondent of Mafkarat al-Islam.

.....thats about as believeable as the story about the Iraqi fighter who said he shot a US sniper in a mineret and then shot the guy replacing him, and then shot the other guy replacing him :roll: