Iraqi Security Forces Outnumber American Troops
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Total bullshit numbers. The US has been doing everything they can to put "Iraqi security forces" in place in numbers with no regard for the efficacy of those forces. A lot of those forces are just building guards with a day or so of training. The police training with only a few thousand of the 60k or so police they supposedly "trained" recieveing even a three week course. A new academy being setup in Jordan with contractors to train Iraqi police (I was supposed to be one of them in a limited capacity) is supposed to help that.
In addition Iraq has no domestic intelligence or internal security apparatus as it had under the Hussein regime making the police, just that police. They have very little counter-insurgency capability.
It's all a numbers game with little or no basis in reality. A bunch of guys with rifles does not equal the ability to control the country. We have the most highly trained military in the world with the best equipment, leadership, and an all volunteer force (albeit at a huge disadvantage in relation to awareness of the local situation and intelligence capability ) and we are essentially powerless against the insurgents).
But if you want to count rifles in this potemkin village of a "Iraq security forces" they are trying to sell as progress go ahead.
In addition Iraq has no domestic intelligence or internal security apparatus as it had under the Hussein regime making the police, just that police. They have very little counter-insurgency capability.
It's all a numbers game with little or no basis in reality. A bunch of guys with rifles does not equal the ability to control the country. We have the most highly trained military in the world with the best equipment, leadership, and an all volunteer force (albeit at a huge disadvantage in relation to awareness of the local situation and intelligence capability ) and we are essentially powerless against the insurgents).
But if you want to count rifles in this potemkin village of a "Iraq security forces" they are trying to sell as progress go ahead.
Iraqi Security Crews Getting Less Training
"When the United States announces a schedule for training and deploying Iraqi security officers, then announces the acceleration of that schedule, then accelerates it again, it sends a signal of desperation, not certitude," Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said Wednesday at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington. "When in the course of days we increase by thousands our estimate of the numbers of Iraqis trained, it sounds like somebody is cooking the books."
"Iraqi police, whose ranks were reported at about 35,000 through August and September, soared to 60,000 last week, according to figures prepared by the Coalition Provisional Authority and the Pentagon's Joint Staff. In a single week between Oct. 27 and Nov. 4, the number of guards reported in the Facilities Protection Service nearly doubled, from 18,700 to 36,000. So did the size of the Border Patrol, which went from 6,500 to 11,600 troops. "
"Addressing the issue again yesterday, Rumsfeld said that although Iraqi forces lack the training and equipment of U.S. troops, they have other advantages. "They do speak the language, they do live in the neighborhood, they do have situational awareness," he said, adding that the Iraqis are gaining experience through joint patrols with U.S. and coalition troops. "
Rumsfeld has a valid point here in regards to thier knowledge of the country, but the fact remains that these forces are far less trained than the South Vietnamese forces we put in place during Vietnamization who promptly collapsed after we left. All a numbers game aimed seemingly more at the US domestic audience to produce an impression of progress for the willing viewers of Fox News channel rather than producing a real security capability. Look....we filled Iraq with the equivalent of grocery store security guards...hoorayyy for us!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"When the United States announces a schedule for training and deploying Iraqi security officers, then announces the acceleration of that schedule, then accelerates it again, it sends a signal of desperation, not certitude," Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said Wednesday at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington. "When in the course of days we increase by thousands our estimate of the numbers of Iraqis trained, it sounds like somebody is cooking the books."
"Iraqi police, whose ranks were reported at about 35,000 through August and September, soared to 60,000 last week, according to figures prepared by the Coalition Provisional Authority and the Pentagon's Joint Staff. In a single week between Oct. 27 and Nov. 4, the number of guards reported in the Facilities Protection Service nearly doubled, from 18,700 to 36,000. So did the size of the Border Patrol, which went from 6,500 to 11,600 troops. "
"Addressing the issue again yesterday, Rumsfeld said that although Iraqi forces lack the training and equipment of U.S. troops, they have other advantages. "They do speak the language, they do live in the neighborhood, they do have situational awareness," he said, adding that the Iraqis are gaining experience through joint patrols with U.S. and coalition troops. "
Rumsfeld has a valid point here in regards to thier knowledge of the country, but the fact remains that these forces are far less trained than the South Vietnamese forces we put in place during Vietnamization who promptly collapsed after we left. All a numbers game aimed seemingly more at the US domestic audience to produce an impression of progress for the willing viewers of Fox News channel rather than producing a real security capability. Look....we filled Iraq with the equivalent of grocery store security guards...hoorayyy for us!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sure make excuses
Nothing is good enough for some of you guys. No matter what gets done or happens you people find a way to bitch about it. Well I for one am happy that these Iraqis are takings some initiative and trying to help their country by taking security jobs - wether it be border patrol or policemen. Things don't happen overnight...you think they can just be trained to be a professional in a short time? But I suppose if there weren't this many Iraqis - you'd bitch that we aren't letting them do enough
whatever.
CkG
Nothing is good enough for some of you guys. No matter what gets done or happens you people find a way to bitch about it. Well I for one am happy that these Iraqis are takings some initiative and trying to help their country by taking security jobs - wether it be border patrol or policemen. Things don't happen overnight...you think they can just be trained to be a professional in a short time? But I suppose if there weren't this many Iraqis - you'd bitch that we aren't letting them do enough
whatever.
CkG
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